General NFL discussion thread

[Jeremy G]

Maybe we should go after another Eagles QB? What's Vick's contract look like? Is he a free agent after this year?

I'd take Kolb or Vick. That honeymoon cant last forever with two really good QB's on one team. 

[Wood]

Maybe we should go after another Eagles QB? What's Vick's contract look like? Is he a free agent after this year?

I'd take Kolb or Vick. That honeymoon cant last forever with two really good QB's on one team. 

Sorry to disappoint you but that's not happening.

Eagles will franchise Vick with absolute certainty unless they sign him to an extension beforehand (more likely) and then will happily keep Kolb as the backup unless a team blows them away with an offer.

[Jeremy G]

Sorry to disappoint you but that's not happening.

Eagles will franchise Vick with absolute certainty unless they sign him to an extension beforehand (more likely) and then will happily keep Kolb as the backup unless a team blows them away with an offer.

The Eagles already traded one of there QB's to us you don't think they would do it again? Come on don't be so stingy with your QB's.Help a division brother out.

[Dave A]

I think it's a near certainty the Skins will draft a QB reasonably high. Remember Shanny has always been aggressive with QBs, and isn't afraid to go up and grab his guy. This year he won't need to go up and grab them, at the rate the Skins are going.

Again, you assume that they haven't already traded most of their picks away for 2011. No matter how poorly they finish the season, the Redskins still may not have decent picks available to use. That always has to be taken into consideration with the Redskins.

People who aren't Skins fans don't really get that, and I don't blame them, because it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Imagine if your team had like 2 or 3 draft picks a year for about a decade, the rest being traded away in splashy free agency trades. I think they've already traded away their 2011 3rd and 4th round picks.

Not to say they won't take a QB -- knowing them, they will -- it just wouldn't be a great idea.

Maybe we should go after another Eagles QB? What's Vick's contract look like? Is he a free agent after this year?

I'd take Kolb or Vick. That honeymoon cant last forever with two really good QB's on one team.  

Dude...  

A QB isn't the answer. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, hell, Superman couldn't take this team to even a 10 win season, much less a Superbowl. It is fundamentally broken and needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. Throwing draft picks away on quarterbacks will guarantee we're in the exact same place 5 years from now.

They did good in the last draft picking up Trent Williams. That's a big step in the right direction. I'm hoping it's a sign for the future.

[InspectorSpacetime]

the redskins will never get any better until they start drafting better. and its hard to draft when you have no picks. they have had a decade of bad drafts. it wouldnt matter who the qb on this team is because they have no one to throw to. they have a lack of quality players. go ahead keep firing coachs, it wont matter. if you need to spend money, make it on scouts.
the skins are my nfl team.

[Dave A]

Just looked it up, and it looks like the Skins will (shockingly) have 7 picks in the upcoming draft... at least as things stand now.

They have a 1st and 2nd rounder, both of which should be within the top 15. I don't know if they'll try to trade up (meaning less overall picks) or down (meaning more overall picks), but neither would surprise me... they never stay put, there's always wheeling and dealing going on with those draft picks.

3rd and 4th round picks are set to go to the Eagles and Saints in some order, depending on how those teams finish the season... hopefully the 3rd round pick will go to the Saints, because we get a lower one back from them in trade, and it's a 5th rounder if they get the 3rd rounder.

So, assuming they don't trade up or down, they've got a 1st, 2nd, maybe 2 5ths, maybe 2 6ths, maybe 2-3 7ths (they have one coming from the Colts).

My hope is that they'll trade down with their 1st and 2nd round picks unless a really special player falls in their lap and try to fill more holes through the draft. We'll see. I'm already shocked beyond belief that they could possibly have 7 picks, even with most of them being in later rounds.

[Jeremy G]

the redskins will never get any better until they start drafting better. and its hard to draft when you have no picks. they have had a decade of bad drafts. it wouldnt matter who the qb on this team is because they have no one to throw to. they have a lack of quality players. go ahead keep firing coachs, it wont matter. if you need to spend money, make it on scouts.
the skins are my nfl team.

So there are three of us then? Nice. As far as receivers go we have average to above average receivers. Cooley,Fred Davis,Holmes,and Anthony Armstrong will be the number 1 wr on the team next year. We need a Qb that can get them the fricking ball. I agree Portis needs to go. Torain is not the answer.He cant stay healthy.

If you only have so many draft picks to use you have to use free agency. If not on a QB then on who? Plus with free agency we don't have to give up draft picks.

I would like the Skins to give Billy Volek a look. I think he can be a really good NFL QB. But he maybe tired of being a back up QB all the time. Or Shaun Hill,he also looked good until he broke his finger.



Free Agent QB's after this season.

Troy Smith, BAL
Trent Edwards, BUF
JT O'Sullivan, CIN
Seneca Wallace, CLE
Shaun Hill, DET
Brodie Croyle, KC
Chad Pennington, MIA
Tyler Thigpen, MIA
Tarvaris Jackson, MIN
Jim Sorgi, NYG
Kellen Clemens, NYJ
Bruce Gradkowski, OAK
Michael Vick, PHI
Dennis Dixon, PIT
Billy Volek, SD
Kerry Collins, TEN
Chris Simms, TEN
Rex Grossman, WAS

WR's
Randy Moss
Miles Austin
Sidney Rice
Vincent Jackson
Steve Smith, NYG
Santonio Holmes
Donald Driver
Mike Sims-Walker


There are some holes that could be filled here.

[tomkaters]

Donald Driver signed an extension before the season through 2013.

I gasped at the thought of him playing for somebody else.

[Jeremy G]

Donald Driver signed an extension before the season through 2013.

I gasped at the thought of him playing for somebody else.

Whoops.That site must not have been updated. Sorry for the scare.

[Jeremy G]

www.footballsfuture.com

Here is the site about the free agents. Has them broke down to position and has info on the 2011 draft.

Plus there is a early mock draft on there. 

[Dave A]

So there are three of us then? Nice. As far as receivers go we have average to above average receivers. Cooley,Fred Davis,Holmes,and Anthony Armstrong will be the number 1 wr on the team next year. We need a Qb that can get them the fricking ball. I agree Portis needs to go. Torain is not the answer.He cant stay healthy.

What we need is a line that can keep pass rushers off the QB, a running back who can average more than 2 yards a carry, and wide receivers who can get open and/or maybe gain a few yards after receiving the ball instead of being tackled immediately. Two of the top receivers you have listed there are tight ends... Cooley can't be used for receiving very often because they need him back on the line to help block, and Davis can hardly get in the game because he's a poor blocker. Holmes... not sure who you're talking about there? I'll assume you mean Moss... he's 32 and shorter than me, and with no other receiving threats around, he's usually double covered. Plus, you can only live off those bombs in Dallas from 5 years ago for so long... after three fairly unproductive seasons, I think he's as done as Portis. And if Armstrong is our #1, or even #2, receiver, we're in a lot of trouble.

If you only have so many draft picks to use you have to use free agency. If not on a QB then on who? Plus with free agency we don't have to give up draft picks.

Free agency is always where we lose all our draft picks in trades, though, that's why I don't like chasing those contracts. Those 3rd and 4th rounders we'll be doing without came as a result of the free agency trades for McNabb and Jamal Brown. The talking heads always focus on the big $$$ that's part of Snyder's free agency signs, but where it really hurts the Skins (other than in the salary cap) is the cost in draft picks, often high ones.

That's why I say we have 7 draft picks for now... we still have to make it through free agency next year. I wouldn't be shocked to see the 2nd round pick thrown into a trade package.

McNabb is far from perfect, but, again, we wouldn't be a playoff team with Tom Brady back there. Upgrade at center, upgrade at wide receiver, upgrade at running back, upgrade at nose tackle. We need all of that stuff bad before we even think about getting a new QB.

[InspectorSpacetime]

there are very few example of free agency in the nfl helping teams win a superbowl. and those examples(reggie white, drew brees) were a single piece that compliment the already made team.
aslo the value of draft picks are about to skyrocket after the new CBA. rookie contracts are about to become more reasonable.

[Swany]

The redskins to me seem to be a team with an identity crisis. What i mean by that is they don't have one. Are they a areial team or are they smash mouth are they a defensive minded or offensive minded team???? Since it is Shanny's team everything should point to a Offensive minded team which is run heavy and relies on the zone concept. We really haven't seen that yet.

As for the O-line & QB concerns at first glance they both seemed warranted but when you look deeper they have a good young LT in Williams, a pro bowl caliber RT Brown and  a journeymen C in Rabach. Their Guards are where the ??? come in, LG Lichtensteiger is young and from what i have seen is gettin whipped up on pretty good & RG Artis Hicks is a plumber, (an ok transisiton/backup but questionable as your every down year in year out starter). That's not a bad starting point. Maybe go after Alan Faneca in free agency (he has a few yrs left in the tank). Dont waste a draft pick on a G this yr and go after a DE like robert quinn, ryan kerrigan or allen bailey.

Now for QB, everything i have read is donovan is havin a tough time adjusting to the new O. Give it time i say, if he hasn't grasped by next yr dump him at years end, pick up a QB in free agency and draft in 2012.

[Dave A]

The redskins to me seem to be a team with an identity crisis. What i mean by that is they don't have one. Are they a areial team or are they smash mouth are they a defensive minded or offensive minded team???? Since it is Shanny's team everything should point to a Offensive minded team which is run heavy and relies on the zone concept. We really haven't seen that yet.

That's all ownership... there's zero continuity, because the head coach changes every couple years. Part of the team was built to run a Joe Gibbs smashmouth offense, part of it was built to do... whatever the hell Jim Zorn was trying to do, and now Shanny has a different vision all over again. Dan Snyder runs the Skins like a typical CEO without any patience or vision, demanding immediate results in a system that simply doesn't operate that way.

As for the O-line & QB concerns at first glance they both seemed warranted but when you look deeper they have a good young LT in Williams, a pro bowl caliber RT Brown and  a journeymen C in Rabach. Their Guards are where the ??? come in, LG Lichtensteiger is young and from what i have seen is gettin whipped up on pretty good & RG Artis Hicks is a plumber, (an ok transisiton/backup but questionable as your every down year in year out starter). That's not a bad starting point. Maybe go after Alan Faneca in free agency (he has a few yrs left in the tank). Dont waste a draft pick on a G this yr and go after a DE like robert quinn, ryan kerrigan or allen bailey.

The only place I really disagree with you here is about Rabach... unless by "journeyman" you mean getting blown the f up on every down. If there's a center in the history of the league who gets called more for holding on a *$&$^ run play, I don't want to know who he is. The concern about Brown is that he can't stay healthy longer than 5 minutes. They've also got a good backup -- better than Lichtensteiger, anyway -- in Derrick Dockery, who Shanny refuses to play.

Now, I'm not saying to use the 1st or 2nd round picks on linemen, but, given the copious needs the Skins have on both sides of the ball, trading down for more picks would be the most prudent move IMO. Linemen usually go in the later rounds anway, and they have plenty of those picks this year (unless they trade all those picks away during free agency... again). I'm just making the point that they're not just missing that one key piece that you can get in free agency or cultivate through the draft... they have serious needs at a lot of positions, and addressing those needs will a) help the QB we have perform better, and b) give us room to grow with a new QB in the future.

Now for QB, everything i have read is donovan is havin a tough time adjusting to the new O. Give it time i say, if he hasn't grasped by next yr dump him at years end, pick up a QB in free agency and draft in 2012.

Totally agree. It's the square peg/round hole thing again. They aren't playing to McNabb's strengths, they're trying too hard to make him fit in their system. Given how immovable the Shanihans seem to be, if McNabb's still struggling by the end of next year, it's time to part ways and find someone who fits.

[InspectorSpacetime]

i get why you trade for mcnabb but in all honesty and retrospect keeping jason campbell would have been a better idea. also the "mastermind" changing to a 3-4 without the personel to run it was not wise. im also not sure that shannahan was the right choice. he is far from a elite coach anymore. but zorn was a bum.

in the end mcnabb and shannahan was a typical synder redskin move. win in march not in december

[Farrell]

I haven't watched very many games this year.  Fox has this stupid, overly dramatic music playing during every single stoppage in play.  Not going into and out of commercials; every time a play isn't being run.  How long have they been doing that?  I find it very obnoxious.  Are people nodding off in between plays?

[Jay Tomio]

Are Detroit Lions fans allowed to participate in the NFL thread or do we have to wait for the draft? 

[InspectorSpacetime]

wish i had bet chris. 21-0 pats

[Farrell]

Are Detroit Lions fans allowed to participate in the NFL thread or do we have to wait for the draft? 

Since they held Green Bay to 3 points in a win today, we'll let you participate. 

[Dave A]

Redskins: Playing for the draft.