Jason Aaron says "fuck you Alan Moore"

[Dave Faust]

Nipping at the big dog's ankles for attention. Somebody hit him on the nose with a newspaper.

This.

Aaron's blog post seems like a misreading of Moore's quote:

At the end of the day, if they haven't got any properties that are valuable enough, but they have got these ‘top-flight industry creators' that are ready to produce these prequels and sequels to Watchmen, well this is probably a radical idea, but could they not get one of the ‘top-flight industry creators' to come up with an idea of their own?  Why are DC Comics trying to exploit a comic book that I wrote 25 years ago if they have got anything?  Sure they ought to have had an equivalent idea since?  I could ask about why Marvel Comics are churning out or planning to bring out my ancient Marvelman stories, which are even older, if they had a viable idea of their own in the quarter-century since I wrote those works.  I mean, surely that would be a much easier solution than all of this clandestine stuff?  Just simply get some of your top-flight talent to put out a book that the wider public outside of the comics field find as interesting or as appealing as the stuff that I wrote 25 years ago.  It shouldn't be too big an ask, should it?  I wouldn't have thought so.  And it would solve an awful lot of problems.  They must have one creator, surely, in the entire American industry that could do equivalent work to something I did 25 years ago.  It would be insulting to think that there weren't.

(emphasis mine)

When I read that, I see Moore talking not about comic writers and artists, but rather the long-time favorite punching bags DC and Marvel. All he was saying is that these big-time publishers should be creating new characters and new concepts instead of constantly rehashing old ones. He wasn't taking potshots at creators, but rather publishers, the same publishers who tend to go on and on about the quality of creative minds they have working for them.

If Kirkman had said it, then everyone would be breaking their necks to pile on the "fuck yeahs!"

Actually though I do disagree with Moore because I think that there are a lot of interesting characters and ideas coming out of mainstream comics these days, but to say that he was insulting creators is, in my opinion, a mistake.

[JohnBoman]

Wow... wouldn't it be cool if Aaron and Moore had a (beard vs. beard) match at WrestleMania and the loser had thier beard shaved?  I might actually order that pay per view. 

Then again, I imagine that Jason Aaron would hit Brian Bendis over the head with a chair then turn heel and join Alan Moore's faction.  The entire article being one big "swerve" from the beginning. 

sorry... The thread was getting waaaaayy to serious.   

Love it!  

[JohnBoman]

This.

Aaron's blog post seems like a misreading of Moore's quote:
(emphasis mine)

When I read that, I see Moore talking not about comic writers and artists, but rather the long-time favorite punching bags DC and Marvel. All he was saying is that these big0time publishers should be creating new characters and new concepts instead of constantly rehashing old ones. He wasn't taking potshots at creators, but rather publishers, the same publishers who tend to go on and on about the quality of creative minds they have working for them.

If Kirkman had said it, then everyone would be breaking their necks to pile on the "fuck yeahs!"

Actually though I do disagree with Moore because I think that there are a lot of interesting characters and ideas coming out of mainstream comics these days, but to say that he was insulting creators is, in my opinion, a mistake.

Well done! Exactly my point. 

[Andrew Tom]

Maybe Alan Moore was just upset that he wasn't asked to be an "Architect".   

[JohnBoman]

Maybe Alan Moore was just upset that he wasn't asked to be an "Architect".   

One universe would not be enough. Architect of the multiverse maybe? 

[Julian Lytle]

Dave kinda said what I felt. Really Aaron deserves the this


Like really? His interview mad you mad? His opinion of of Marvel and specifically DC, that he felt was using Gibbons to get him to sign off on sequels to his work that he didn't want to have anything to do with anymore? You mad cause he couldn't give a fuck about your skills? Really? How about this do some so damn dope it don't matter.

people need more Rick Flair in their lives.

[Derek G]

Stop flinging shit, and type up a goddamn comic script instead.

[Doug!]

One universe would not be enough. Architect of the multiverse maybe? 

I thought he already was.  Are you telling me that Alan Moore isn't Merlin kicking around Earth for a few giggles?

Check this out:




It's like their twins!

[BurlIves]

I kinda side with Aaron on this one.  Alan Moore likes to go flinging around these vague things about how horrid the Big 2 are and he kinda hides behind the fact that he never says, "Bendis is a hack" or "Johns is a hack" and he kinda plays it off that he's merely referring the their corporate practices.  As least Aaron has the decency to call the dude out by name.

I think Moore is really taking the tack of "these guys are beneath me", which may supercilious, but I don't think he's passively aggressively attacking creators in saying it, I think he's just ignoring them.  Dickish or no, He's under no obligation to extoll, endorse, or even pay attention to any other creator.

Let him play the recluse if he wants to.  His work will speak for itself.  As long as it continues to entertain and provoke, i'll keep reading.

[jonny the homicidal drummer]

A professional you say...    ... If only Moore handled himself like one.


Moore is a self centered man child who is a horrible ambassador for a medium he claims to love.


The Tiki

quoted for truth

Aaron may not be right in how he handled it but he is right in his premise

just like most people Moore is mad on his tiny bit of comic "power" and thinks he can shit on everyone

he should show some class

[JohnBoman]

I thought he already was.  Are you telling me that Alan Moore isn't Merlin kicking around Earth for a few giggles?

Check this out:




It's like their twins!

We are all his playthings. I hail my new overlord 

[Jordan]

This.

Aaron's blog post seems like a misreading of Moore's quote:
(emphasis mine)

When I read that, I see Moore talking not about comic writers and artists, but rather the long-time favorite punching bags DC and Marvel. All he was saying is that these big-time publishers should be creating new characters and new concepts instead of constantly rehashing old ones. He wasn't taking potshots at creators, but rather publishers, the same publishers who tend to go on and on about the quality of creative minds they have working for them.

If Kirkman had said it, then everyone would be breaking their necks to pile on the "fuck yeahs!"

Actually though I do disagree with Moore because I think that there are a lot of interesting characters and ideas coming out of mainstream comics these days, but to say that he was insulting creators is, in my opinion, a mistake.

Aren't you skipping the part where Moore says

"When Dave Gibbons phoned me up, he assured me that these prequels and sequels would be handled by ‘the industry's top-flight talents'.  Now, I don't think that the contemporary industry actually has a ‘top-flight' of talent.  I don't think it's even got a middle-flight or a bottom-flight of talent…"

That seems like a shot at creators doesn't it?

[Julian Lytle]

A professional you say...    ... If only Moore handled himself like one.


Moore is a self centered man child who is a horrible ambassador for a medium he claims to love.


The Tiki

So Moore didn't act like a professional because he explained his side of the story of how DC is communicating with him?  I read that interview a couple of times and he can be a bit harsh, but in a way its the old man way of saying what Kirkman said. See Kirkman is young, he didn't want to hurt any feelings and hell he got in dumb debates and stuff. Warners in reality has did Moore over the years. He can be mad. Is it unprofessional if I call Watchmen sequels lame? It's lame. Why are you jumping to do that? That's like remaking Beat It or PYT or something. Why not pitch a dope Question story. Why not go back. Do something dope about Watchmen and not BS sequels of Watchmen. The industry isn't going to come back with doing that stuff.

I read like 15 issues of Scalped. It was ok. Not bad. I haven't read any of his Marvel work and from what I've heard about I have no want to. How about you put that time in before dissin' the elders.

[deftone1984]

Aaron should have been idolizing Frank Miller. Time better spent. The real forefather of modern comics.

[JohnBoman]

Aren't you skipping the part where Moore says

"When Dave Gibbons phoned me up, he assured me that these prequels and sequels would be handled by ‘the industry's top-flight talents'.  Now, I don't think that the contemporary industry actually has a ‘top-flight' of talent.  I don't think it's even got a middle-flight or a bottom-flight of talent…"

That seems like a shot at creators doesn't it?

Or on the other hand he could be saying all creators are equal? It's the act of creation and the results there of, that count?

[Dave Faust]

Aren't you skipping the part where Moore says

"When Dave Gibbons phoned me up, he assured me that these prequels and sequels would be handled by ‘the industry's top-flight talents'.  Now, I don't think that the contemporary industry actually has a ‘top-flight' of talent.  I don't think it's even got a middle-flight or a bottom-flight of talent…"

That seems like a shot at creators doesn't it?

By itself, sure, but then Moore spends the rest of that time going on at length about the publishers. Still not a reason to feel all butthurt. I mean, who hasn't made blanket statements and then gone on to refine them? Hell, I do it all the time.

[Jordan]

Perhaps, but anytime you make blanket statements you open yourself up to misunderstanding. 

[LoadofBS]

don't like moore, really like aaron. this changed nothing.

[Night (Travis) Nurse]

It seems to me like Aaron is taking one tiny portion of the article and taking it personally. He wanted, at some point in his carrier to get the nod from his idle and he didn't.

I don't really care what creators think about other creators. Just make your work, talk about the industry but keep the beef inside. I didn't care when it was East coast Vs West coast and I don't care about this.

N Travis N

[S. Earl]

Alan Moore and Michael Jordan both have the same problem, they're day in the sun is over and they can't appreciate those that came after them. It's refreshing when these types get told to get over themselves.