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« Reply #41 on: 12:05 PM | Thursday, May 19, 2011 » |
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Vince - Brinke Stevens?
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« Reply #42 on: 01:05 PM | Thursday, May 19, 2011 » |
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Leonard Cohen!!! the poet.
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« Reply #43 on: 01:05 PM | Thursday, May 19, 2011 » |
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Vince - Brinke Stevens?
 Back in the day, Vampirella to a T. And that ASS...yow! But, no, not the name of which I was thinking during the Dave Stevens talk. The name I was looking for was Merci Montello. Stunning woman. |
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« Reply #44 on: 02:05 PM | Thursday, May 19, 2011 » |
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Not that far into the episode but I think we have to wait and see the fall out of Tokyopop's demise before we could see any movement on a King City collection.
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« Reply #45 on: 05:05 PM | Thursday, May 19, 2011 » |
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Your conversation about making the events of a comic have significance within that comic struck a chord with me.
Many of comicdom's most popular writers seem to make a habit out of relying on the reader's recognition of past events to imbue the comic they're currently reading with the desired emotional resonance. You mentioned Geoff Johns, and he's well known for dredging up sometimes obscure DC history. I find that Grant Morrison is also one of the biggest offenders. It's horrible storytelling to base sympathy or surprise or fear or any other reaction on knowledge of events that don't take place in the series you're reading. That, to me, is the most new reader unfriendly thing you can do.
I don't disagree with David and others that some footnotes would not be unwelcome at times, but to me there's a big difference between simply not being familiar with the name and history of a character (unfortunate, but the story itself can still supply context) and being asked to feel things about those characters based on external events (makes the story limp and pointless). You can tell me "This is The Avenger. His father died of a drug overdose" in a footnote, but it's still not going to have any impact if The Avenger shows up just long enough to inject heroin.
Character history is an asset. I'm not suggesting every comic book be written as if it's a new start every time. But more care should be taken to insure that important story beats are both understandable and impactful even if it's the reader's very first comic book.
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« Reply #46 on: 05:05 PM | Thursday, May 19, 2011 » |
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Your conversation about making the events of a comic have significance within that comic struck a chord with me.
Many of comicdom's most popular writers seem to make a habit out of relying on the reader's recognition of past events to imbue the comic they're currently reading with the desired emotional resonance. You mentioned Geoff Johns, and he's well known for dredging up sometimes obscure DC history. I find that Grant Morrison is also one of the biggest offenders. It's horrible storytelling to base sympathy or surprise or fear or any other reaction on knowledge of events that don't take place in the series you're reading. That, to me, is the most new reader unfriendly thing you can do.
I'll admit that I'm a big Morrison shill, but I don't really agree with this. Sure, Morrison references events that have taken place in the past, but he doesn't expect anyone to actually get those references. He's using them as springboards for his own ideas and reinvetions. I rarely see him make references for the sake of a twist. I think he's a better story teller than that. |
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« Reply #47 on: 06:05 PM | Thursday, May 19, 2011 » |
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I'll admit that I'm a big Morrison shill, but I don't really agree with this. Sure, Morrison references events that have taken place in the past, but he doesn't expect anyone to actually get those references. He's using them as springboards for his own ideas and reinvetions. I rarely see him make references for the sake of a twist. I think he's a better story teller than that.
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« Reply #48 on: 06:05 PM | Thursday, May 19, 2011 » |
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Tresvant was LEGIT in his day, sir. Was part of my "booty mix" back in the day.  If you were in New Edition you were the very basis of legit. |
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« Reply #49 on: 06:05 PM | Thursday, May 19, 2011 » |
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Vince, I think that you should lighten up on the use of the word " devastating". "Devastating" should only be used if the situation requires the might of 5 Transformers combining into one GIANT transformer to resolve it. Anything less is a bit of a stretch. You won the thread as far as I'm concerned  |
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« Reply #50 on: 06:05 PM | Thursday, May 19, 2011 » |
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For cryin' out loud Chris!!!! Now you're on Comic Slumber Party? You are officially the world's most popular "comics-podcast-celebrity". Nice cameo. btw. --Andy |
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« Reply #51 on: 07:05 PM | Thursday, May 19, 2011 » |
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Vince is right. Vlad is definitely the heart of the series. And pooch is the mini-heart. And Cassie is all the other good body parts. And I know people may be boggled, but Butcher Baker doesnt do much for me. Oh well. Love you guys. |
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« Reply #52 on: 07:05 PM | Thursday, May 19, 2011 » |
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...but Butcher Baker doesnt do much for me. Oh well.
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« Reply #53 on: 07:05 PM | Thursday, May 19, 2011 » |
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Chris Campbell is not a best dude.
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"If you work really hard, and are kind, amazing things will happen" Conan O'Brian, 2010
Comic Vine: Where does Thunderbolt Ross' mustache go when he turns into Red Hulk? Will your Hulk ever have a mustache?
Mark Waid: Thunderbolt’s mustache goes into the Negative Zone, where it enjoys its own separate adventures that will hopefully someday be told. Our Hulk needs no mustache. Muttonchops, perhaps.
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« Reply #54 on: 07:05 PM | Thursday, May 19, 2011 » |
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« Reply #55 on: 07:05 PM | Thursday, May 19, 2011 » |
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Vince is right. Vlad is definitely the heart of the series.
Vlad's my home skillet biscuit. (Did I get that right?) I LOVE the character. Dude just wants to connect with someone. Not an easy thing to pull off for someone who looks like he does. Even worse, the main target of his efforts is not the most receptive person on the planet. I feel for the guy. |
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« Reply #56 on: 07:05 PM | Thursday, May 19, 2011 » |
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I was devastated that Vince couldn't talk about Xombi. Fuckers. Damn thing's TWO WEEKS OLD...  Next episode for sure. |
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« Reply #57 on: 07:05 PM | Thursday, May 19, 2011 » |
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Maybe I'll read Final Crisismyself someday and I'll get back to you. Everything you need to know about Final Crisis is in there. Best event of the decade. |
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« Reply #58 on: 07:05 PM | Thursday, May 19, 2011 » |
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And I know people may be boggled, but Butcher Baker doesnt do much for me. Oh well.
As you know I couldn't get through half the first issue.  and to other fire books.... FISHER TIGER SUN!!! (I would post a picture but I can't find one on photobucket  ) |
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« Reply #59 on: 07:05 PM | Thursday, May 19, 2011 » |
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Maybe I'll read Final Crisismyself someday and I'll get back to you. Everything you need to know about Final Crisis is in there. Best event of the decade.
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