11 O'Clock Comics Episode 173

[judekill]

I love Alan Moore!!

[templar]

Wait. Back to the Future, Terminator and Planet of the Apes hate all in one episode? What are the odds? I shall now take a mop and clean out the church of my soul as it's been shit in 

Wood, when Shawn Prior and Gabe Hardman next see you, there shall be fake ape masks used to smack you in the face 

I can't keep this up. I'm tired. I've been rioted upon. Great episode guys. Thanks for the concern. It all appears to be over and us forum peeps are alive and well. My LCS re-opened today after missing the biggest blaze by just two stores. Who knew we had so many dick heads? Anyway thanks again. Oh and all you Ape fans, go listen to PKD media Blackbox. Gabe Hardman speaks for the lawgiver on that episode.

[Bobgar Ornelas]

I can't keep this up. I'm tired. I've been rioted upon. Great episode guys. Thanks for the concern. It all appears to be over and us forum peeps are alive and well.

It's good to hear from you, and to hear some positive news. 
Take care of yourself and yours. I hope cleanup is quick and painless.

[Gordie]

...hearing my faith being treated like a joke is unacceptable. 

I feel the same way when someone mocks my non belief.

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/marshall_gauvin/did_jesus_really_live.html
The name "Jesus" was as common among the Jews as is William or George with us. In the writings of Josephus, we find accounts of a number of Jesuses. One was Jesus, the son of Sapphias, the founder of a seditious band of mariners; another was Jesus, the captain of the robbers whose followers fled when they heard of his arrest; still another Jesus was a monomaniac who for seven years went about Jerusalem, crying, "Woe, woe, woe unto Jerusalem!" who was bruised and beaten many times, but offered no resistance; and who was finally killed with a stone at the siege of Jerusalem.

The word "Christ," the Greek equivalent of the Jewish word "Messiah," was not a personal name; it was a title; it meant "the Anointed One."

The Jews were looking for a Messiah, a successful political leader, who would restore the independence of their nation. Josephus tells us of many men who posed as Messiahs, who obtained a following among the people, and who were put to death by the Romans for political reasons. One of these Messiahs, or Christs, a Samaritan prophet, was executed under Pontius Pilate; and so great was the indignation of the Jews that Pilate had to be recalled by the Roman government.

These facts are of tremendous significance. While the Jesus Christ of Christianity is unknown to history, the age in which he is said to have lived was an age in which many men bore the name of "Jesus" and many political leaders assumed the title of "Christ." All the materials necessary for the manufacture of the story of Christ existed in that age. In all the ancient countries, divine Saviors were believed to have been born of virgins, to have preached a new religion, to have performed miracles, to have been crucified as atonements for the sins of mankind, and to have risen from the grave and ascended into heaven. All that Jesus is supposed to have taught was in the literature of the time. In the story of Christ there is not a new idea, as Joseph McCabe has shown in his "Sources of the Morality of the Gospels," and John M. Robertson in his "Pagan Christs."

[leafinsectman (Dan)]

There's a difference between being a little more upbeat, and being a corny Zorro knock off.

I'm trying to figure out why you keep bringing up Batman...

 

Oh snap!

[leafinsectman (Dan)]

I'm still

I missed all that stuff. Cheer up dude Hope you have a good weekend

As for Brett (if you're still reading the thread after everything), it's unfortunate that you felt offended. Vince might not believe in the same things that you do but I didn't get the sense that he had any malicious intent. It might not seem like it at first but I see it more as gentle ribbing as opposed to flat out telling people that what they believe in is BS. It's kinda like how we can point ridiculous stuff out about our favourite comic books and joke about it. It doesn't mean that there's hate in our hearts.

I'm sure at some point, one of the four have said something that I didn't agree with. And it might have been something that I would've initially took offense in had I not known what the fellas are like. They each have their own quirks but based on the couple hundred hours that I've listened to the four as well as their presence here in the forums, they seem like a super friendly bunch of dudes that I'd be happy to call my buddies even if we believe in different things.

I hope you give it another shot. The next time Vince jokes about the big J, just tell him Lucifer sucks donkey balls.

[Jordan]

I feel the same way when someone mocks my non belief.

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/marshall_gauvin/did_jesus_really_live.html
The name "Jesus" was as common among the Jews as is William or George with us. In the writings of Josephus, we find accounts of a number of Jesuses. One was Jesus, the son of Sapphias, the founder of a seditious band of mariners; another was Jesus, the captain of the robbers whose followers fled when they heard of his arrest; still another Jesus was a monomaniac who for seven years went about Jerusalem, crying, "Woe, woe, woe unto Jerusalem!" who was bruised and beaten many times, but offered no resistance; and who was finally killed with a stone at the siege of Jerusalem.

The word "Christ," the Greek equivalent of the Jewish word "Messiah," was not a personal name; it was a title; it meant "the Anointed One."

The Jews were looking for a Messiah, a successful political leader, who would restore the independence of their nation. Josephus tells us of many men who posed as Messiahs, who obtained a following among the people, and who were put to death by the Romans for political reasons. One of these Messiahs, or Christs, a Samaritan prophet, was executed under Pontius Pilate; and so great was the indignation of the Jews that Pilate had to be recalled by the Roman government.

These facts are of tremendous significance. While the Jesus Christ of Christianity is unknown to history, the age in which he is said to have lived was an age in which many men bore the name of "Jesus" and many political leaders assumed the title of "Christ." All the materials necessary for the manufacture of the story of Christ existed in that age. In all the ancient countries, divine Saviors were believed to have been born of virgins, to have preached a new religion, to have performed miracles, to have been crucified as atonements for the sins of mankind, and to have risen from the grave and ascended into heaven. All that Jesus is supposed to have taught was in the literature of the time. In the story of Christ there is not a new idea, as Joseph McCabe has shown in his "Sources of the Morality of the Gospels," and John M. Robertson in his "Pagan Christs."

O come on.... LETS ALL JUST MOVE ON PLS!?

[judekill]

Vince & Wood's love for Leifeld is a thousand times more offensive than their sacreligous views.

[Gordie]

O come on.... LETS ALL JUST MOVE ON PLS!?

You're right, this isn't the forum for me to say what's on my mind or engage in a subject brought up on an EOC episode. 

[Bobgar Ornelas]

Vince & Wood's love for Leifeld is a thousand times more offensive than their sacreligous views.

 

I'm not a Liefeld hater...I tried to be a long time ago, but there is some magic that he puts down on a page that forces you to look at it. I don't buy any of his books anymore, but I'll still look at his covers and whatnot.

Eh, live n let live. If you start praising the cat who drew Herc #1 then we have problems! 

[VinceB]

Vince might not believe in the same things that you do but I didn't get the sense that he had any malicious intent.

Malice requires a smidgeon of concern, doesn't it? That's my point, right there. I honestly don't care what he or anyone else chooses to believe. Worship a head of lettuce for all I care. When some people encounter commentary in opposition to their worldview, they can't help but take it personally, like I'm specifically targeting THEM as the object of my scorn.  I never said that he and every other Christian are riders in the giant clown car of stupidity, yet as soon as I mention the big J, people assume I'm pointing the finger directly at them. I'm just speaking for me. I do think religion, Christianity in particular because that's the one with which I'm intimately familiar, IS a joke, but that doesn't mean I believe everyone that does take the stuff to heart is unintelligent and thus inferior to me. I have absolutely no concern for anyone's spiritual beliefs other than my own. Why they gotta care about the stuff I say is beyond me.

[GLewis]

Malice requires a smidgeon of concern, doesn't it? That's my point, right there. I honestly don't care what he or anyone else chooses to believe. Worship a head of lettuce for all I care. When some people encounter commentary in opposition to their worldview, they can't help but take it personally, like I'm specifically targeting THEM as the object of my scorn.  I never said that he and every other Christian are riders in the giant clown car of stupidity, yet as soon as I mention the big J, people assume I'm pointing the finger directly at them. I'm just speaking for me. I do think religion, Christianity in particular because that's the one with which I'm intimately familiar, IS a joke, but that doesn't mean I believe everyone that does take the stuff to heart is unintelligent and thus inferior to me. I have absolutely no concern for anyone's spiritual beliefs other than my own. Why they gotta care about the stuff I say is beyond me.

I swore I wouldn't get into this here. I swear this will be the last time.

With all due respect, when you or Wood make comments about religion or religious figures, there is a certain amount of disdain that comes across. I don't usually care, but there are some thin skinned folks out there who are going to take offense. I also realize that the disdain, I perceive, isn't directed at people, but at a set of beliefs you find silly. Look I'm surrounded by godless heathens everyday, so I understand that there is a certain amount of ribbing I'm going to take. So, I'll turn the other cheek and love my enemy and all that great Jesus stuff.

Just remember, this isn't the first time someone has taken offense to this kind of thing. It also seemed as if you two may have hit a button with Chris as well. So even if you think there is nothing for someone to take offense to, it's obviously coming across differently to some people. I'd rather we just talked about comics though. I'll pray for you all when I'm not busy reading comics or posting here. Peace be with you.

 

[Wood]

Malice requires a smidgeon of concern, doesn't it? That's my point, right there. I honestly don't care what he or anyone else chooses to believe. Worship a head of lettuce for all I care. When some people encounter commentary in opposition to their worldview, they can't help but take it personally, like I'm specifically targeting THEM as the object of my scorn.  I never said that he and every other Christian are riders in the giant clown car of stupidity, yet as soon as I mention the big J, people assume I'm pointing the finger directly at them. I'm just speaking for me. I do think religion, Christianity in particular because that's the one with which I'm intimately familiar, IS a joke, but that doesn't mean I believe everyone that does take the stuff to heart is unintelligent and thus inferior to me. I have absolutely no concern for anyone's spiritual beliefs other than my own. Why they gotta care about the stuff I say is beyond me.

 

[Wood]

I swore I wouldn't get into this here. I swear this will be the last time.

With all due respect, when you or Wood make comments about religion or religious figures, there is a certain amount of disdain that comes across. I don't usually care, but there are some thin skinned folks out there who are going to take offense. I also realize that the disdain, I perceive, isn't directed at people, but at a set of beliefs you find silly. Look I'm surrounded by godless heathens everyday, so I understand that there is a certain amount of ribbing I'm going to take. So, I'll turn the other cheek and love my enemy and all that great Jesus stuff.

Just remember, this isn't the first time someone has taken offense to this kind of thing. It also seemed as if you two may have hit a button with Chris as well. So even if you think there is nothing for someone to take offense to, it's obviously coming across differently to some people. I'd rather we just talked about comics though. I'll pray for you all when I'm not busy reading comics or posting here. Peace be with you.

 

I get that. Look, for people who genuinely believe in God, it's gotta be tough even accepting the idea that a lot of your time and effort has been for naught. So the very nature of someone messing with that comfort zone feels like an affront.

But I gotta be me.  I think organized religion can be good, if framed in the right capacity. But I think a logical, careful scrutiny of human history, really calls into question how any one religion could have any validity beyond it being a man made mechanism to control the masses.  The thing I always get baffled about when religious people start citing "historical fact" in defense, is that they are simultaneously ignoring the VOLUMINOUS historical documentation of OTHER faiths that DIRECTLY CONTRADICT their own. It's as though they're sure that the rest of that is unfounded and gobbledygook, yet their doctrine is unassailable.

If it makes you feel any better, people who believe run the world. I would stand absolutely ZERO chance of ever being elected beyond my local area, regardless of whether I was qualified in all other respects. People can be womanizers, tax cheaters, corrupt and willing to be bribed and still hold political office -- but DARE to question the existence of the Holy Spirit and you're fucked.

 

[judekill]

It's as though they're sure that the rest of that is unfounded and gobbledygook, yet their doctrine is unassailable.
 

Speaking of which I find it offensive that no one ever brings up that David's people are responsible for killing sweet holy Jesus.

[David]

Speaking of which I find it offensive that no one ever brings up that David's people are responsible for killing sweet holy Jesus.

Probably because I'm not Roman.

[bean6344]

Speaking of which I find it offensive that no one ever brings up that David's people are responsible for killing sweet holy Jesus.

Dude, not cool even if it was a joke.  Not cool.
Bean

[Sampsa_G]

Speaking of which I find it offensive that no one ever brings up that David's people are responsible for killing sweet holy Jesus.

Yeah let's talk about other stuff.... This shticks getting old.

Surprising twists and turns in the movie franchise dislikes. Thank Kirby no one's hated on the Labyrinth or Legend then I'd be totally devastated.

[Bobgar Ornelas]

Yeah let's talk about other stuff.... This shticks getting old.

Surprising twists and turns in the movie franchise dislikes. Thank Kirby no one's hated on the Labyrinth or Legend then I'd be totally devastated.

I can't go home again and watch Labyrinth, but damn it I love that movie. Or my memory of it. 

[templar]

Speaking of which I find it offensive that no one ever brings up that David's people are responsible for killing sweet holy Jesus.

At this point I'm walking away.