Avengers Movie Thread

[EmperorZurg]

As an aside, can we all now agree that it is AZ-gard and not ASS-gard? 

(Oh, and while we're at it, that it's HIME-dahl, not HEEM-dahl, dammit!)

Gotta go get me some shawarma now...

[legion of daves]

someone told me

that RDjr ad-libbed the shawarma line and they shot the after credits scene way after production ended and some of the prints made it to theaters without it.  i've heard some friends of friends didn't get to see it.

[jdudley]

Heard a rumor that "the other" (Thanos's herald) was actually Annihilus. Very interesting if true, his innate and utter fear of death could open some very interesting storytelling when taken along with Thanos infatuation. Also, that could make the alien threat in this movie an Annihilation wave, regardless of them being Chithari

[NeverWanderer (Joey Cruz)]

I really like this interpretation of the Bruce/Tony relationship in the movie.

Spoilers.
http://ashleeta.tumblr.com/post/22504851188/pastelchainsaw-theumbrellaseller-hemsworthss

There are no words to describe my feelings about this relationship. But I’m going to try.

First of all, their parallels. Both geniuses, top of their field. Both suffered an accident that physically changed them, forever, and not in a wholesome Spider-Man kind of way. Both try to do what they can to help others despite their own issues; Banner heals people, Tony works on developing clean energy. And both struggle, in their own way, with duality; Tony and Iron Man, Bruce and the Hulk. Two identities, one body. Only difference is Iron Man’s bad side is Tony.

I mentioned somewhere that Tony sees a bit of himself in Banner because they both have a monster inside them that they can’t control, a creature that springs fully formed from the id, the base impulses and the nasty stuff at the back of the mind. Bruce’s is a giant green rage monster. Tony’s trashed a party in Iron Man 2. Banner has a control over his that Tony hasn’t quite achieved yet; don’t think I didn’t notice Tony pouring himself a whiskey when confronting Loki. Tony is envious, fascinated, and most of all, impressed by Bruce’s control.

So he doesn’t walk on eggshells around Bruce like the others, because that’s not what Bruce needs. Tony sees Bruce’s restraint, sees the quiet, brilliant man making self-deprecating jokes in the corner of the room, sees the way people look at him like he’s going to snap any second, and thinks “nope”. Tony does what no-one else aboard that Helicarrier does. He trusts him. He makes jokes and jabs him and teases him and above all, treats him exactly how he would treat anyone else— he has a great regard for Bruce’s brilliance, and tells him so, but he doesn’t try to ignore the Hulk in the room. When he says “wow, you’ve really got a handle on this, haven’t you?” he’s not saying “gosh, it’s incredible you haven’t snapped yet and killed everyone on board” he’s saying “I know you have a handle on this, you wouldn’t be here if you didn’t, so I’m gonna poke you with this sharp object to prove it”. And you can see Bruce relax, and smile, and trust him back.

But then Tony goes even further, and invites Bruce to come to his R&D department. I’m pretty sure the two of them drive off together in Tony’s car at the end of the movie to do just that. And, okay, sure, Bruce is smart, but Tony’s tech is his baby. How many people get invitations to come and see his work? He invites Bruce because he recognises his brilliance, yes, but there’s another reason. He’s inviting Bruce to come down and work with him after this is over. He’s giving Bruce something to do next, a purpose, an alternative to disappearing into the ether to be alone with his monster. Tony knows from experience that being alone with your issues doesn’t end well, so for what’s only the third time in his life he extends the hand of friendship to a guy he’s known barely an hour.

And then, he tells Bruce to let the beast loose. Not just because they need him to fight, but because it will help him. If Bruce can take this thing that he sees as a curse and turn it into a gift, well, that’s going to lift him out of a very dark place. I’m not saying Tony knew about Bruce’s attempted suicide, but I think he had a suspicion that Bruce had been, in his words, “low”. So he encourages Bruce to take all that crap and pain and the Other Guy and use him to help people; after all, that’s what he did.

And it pays off. Nobody— nobody— thinks Bruce is going to turn up for that final battle. You can see the look on Natasha and Steve’s faces when Tony asks if Bruce turned up yet. They’ve counted Bruce out. Guy’s a mess, right? He’s too volatile. Doesn’t play well with others. He could never work as part of a team. No-one thinks he’ll come through when it matters. Except Tony. He has faith in him, and that faith is rewarded. It’s no wonder the Hulk is the one to catch Tony. Tony’s the one who helped let him out. He’s just returning the favor.

I really want to see more of this relationship. I'd love to see a Marvel team up movie featuring Iron Man and Hulk. I'd also like to add that this description of Bruce...

"Guy’s a mess, right? He’s too volatile. Doesn’t play well with others. He could never work as part of a team. No-one thinks he’ll come through when it matters."

...also fits well for Tony. That's why they're bros

That observation is so fucking astute, I wish I'd had it myself. 

[leafinsectman (Dan)]

That observation is so fucking astute, I wish I'd had it myself. 

If I was watching at home and I could pause and think about things, I might've thought of something similar. I remember having random thoughts as I was watching the two (I knew that being invited to his lab was a special thing) but then shit started blowing up and people started fighting people I'm really looking forward to watching the bluray when it comes out and watching this at my own pace so I could analyze all the stuff that Whedon put in there. I'm sure I missed a lot of it.

I hope they release a super extended cut. Whedon cut out a lot of scenes apparently.

By the way, it's been almost 2 weeks since I saw this and I'm still bloody amazed at what they've done here. When Sam Jackson first appeared at the end of Iron Man 1, I never thought it would be this awesome. A job well done to everyone involved. I'm really looking forward to what happens from here on in.

[Purdie]

someone told me

that RDjr ad-libbed the shawarma line and they shot the after credits scene way after production ended and some of the prints made it to theaters without it.  i've heard some friends of friends didn't get to see it.

Wasn't there a convention or something recently where RDjr said they were all going to film another scene for the film?  I remember people thinking this was weird because it was so close to the release date.  So this sounds possible.  The scene wasn't in the version I saw in Cape Town, or in any of the other international prints (i believe).

 

[malpractice]

as it is, whedon would actually know the material and be an fan of the medium (whereas nolan was not fan, prior to batman begins).

not true. Nolan is a huge 2000 A.D. fan and read the O'Neil/Adams run of Batman when they were coming out for example and considered Miller's Dark Knight Returns a huge influence way before he was even making films. He just lost touch with comics for awhile like a lot of us do and came back to when he started making the Batman movies.

[NeverWanderer (Joey Cruz)]

Listen to Hemsworth's answer to the first question...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/snpfkxszz8Q&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/snpfkxszz8Q&rel=1</a>

That slick bastard.

[Wood]

Best. Movie. Ever.

 

[Purdie]

Best. Movie. Ever.

 

 

[JoeyN]

someone told me

that RDjr ad-libbed the shawarma line and they shot the after credits scene way after production ended and some of the prints made it to theaters without it.  i've heard some friends of friends didn't get to see it.

It was shot after the hollywood premiere of the movie, and was not on International prints.

[Steve Raker]

Best. Movie. Ever.

 

Did you take the boy(s)?...if so, what did they think?

[Kamakazi010654]

Listen to Hemsworth's answer to the first question...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/snpfkxszz8Q&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/snpfkxszz8Q&rel=1</a>

That slick bastard.

Very slick.

I will be going to watch this again sometime this week. Haven't watched a movie twice in theaters for a long time.

[SilverBulletKY]

I would go back and watch this again in the theater.  I haven't wanted to do that to a movie in years.

[ryan]

I would go back and watch this again in the theater.  I haven't wanted to do that to a movie in years.

yep. last time was last Bats movie. tomorrow for second viewing cant come fast enough

[roadsign]

I never, ever go see a movie twice. But I might have to for Avengers. It was just a total spectacle. I'm not sure it was a great movie, story-wise as a standalone, but it was a tremendous culmination of all the preceding movies and had some great character moments and fight scenes. I thought Ruffalo as the Hulk nearly stole the show, but Downey Jr. also turned in another great performance. I hope Marvel can continue churning out these movies at such a high quality and quick rate, I hope the mid-credits scene reveal guy is in the next Thor movie...

[legion of daves]

there's probably gonna be a run on this tshirt now:

http://store.pvponline.com/products/joss-whedon-is-my-master-now-tee

[BobBretall]

What's funny to me is that the closer comic movie dialogue & action gets to what's actually in the comics, the better the movies do, and yet the general public still has a negative opinion of actual printed comics.

The worst movies are ones where Hollywood people get their fingers all over the property & change stuff around for no good reason.

When you have a comic fan like Joss Whedon in the driver's seat look at what you get, a $200M opening weekend in the US & >$600M worldwide already

BTW, Here's some discussion of the "end-scene" directed at civilians (URL contains a spoiler):
EW On-line link

[Thermite (Iz Wilkison)]

there's probably gonna be a run on this tshirt now:

http://store.pvponline.com/products/joss-whedon-is-my-master-now-tee

I wore mine when I saw the film. Saw a few Cap shirts and Iron Man shirts there as well.

[legion of daves]

I wore mine when I saw the film. Saw a few Cap shirts and Iron Man shirts there as well.

we saw more cap shirts than anything else, a ton.