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« Reply #60 on: 11:12 PM | Thursday, December 22, 2011 »

Okay, no future Rafael Grampa illustrated stories for you guys. Or what Remender might write from here on in.  Prison Pit is dead.
  ...etc, and so on. 

Your point is a good one, but I've gotta say...It would still be worth it for me. I'd give it all up in a second for a replicator able to generate mint copies of any Bronze book ever published.  Hearts
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« Reply #61 on: 11:12 PM | Thursday, December 22, 2011 »

...yeah it was pretty rhetorical, cuz I  mainly read the old stuff. Yes
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« Reply #62 on: 12:12 AM | Friday, December 23, 2011 »

Oh....oh...(mr kot-ter!) Cheesy ...another series I'd like to see continued is Jocular John Byrne's riff continuing the Thomas/Adams run with X-men:Hidden Years.....loved that book!
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« Reply #63 on: 12:12 AM | Friday, December 23, 2011 »

Woohoo! My question was used!  I've arrived!


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« Reply #64 on: 02:12 AM | Friday, December 23, 2011 »

REPRESENT WOOD! Diss Trimpe you get punched in your damn life box!

Mad props to all, this was a great episode minus the awkward Tomio moment.

1.  Arc I wished would not have existed: Countdown

Coming off 52, DC was on fire to me, and Countdown and the whole buildup to FC IMHO handicapped Morrison, who through only his sheer greatness was able to still ball out and produce the greatest event sans Unity in comic book history. I didn't get that entire ending of Countdown, along with the Starlin Death of the New Gods, and how it helped set up Final Crisis.

I almost wish FC just kind of happened w/o Countdown at all, just Morrison's Batman run.

2. Character Debut All Time

Chris's pick of Dazzler is great. I'm a huge fan and loved the era where she an Longshot were in Uncanny. She has one of the great new costume debuts in Dazzler 28 (the great Blue one) with the sweet yellow cover.

LOVE Cable. People, we have to take it back. For a minute Cable might have been the second most popular mutant character in an era where if you're weren't X-Related or ASM, you were second class. Remember the speculation issue about his first "baby Nathan" appearance"? Hot.

My favorite character debut ever is Storm Shadow. G.I. Joe #21? Get the fuck out of here, the coldest issue ever.

3. Character Debut Last 10 Years

Fantomex, people. Let's be real.

VALIANT is a reboot. As far as we know, the old stuff didn't happen. This is the best way because there have been a couple of reboots with Acclaim that were the suck. There's a lot of terrible stories that occured that most people didn't read or don't remember, so there is no clean break (plus, Shadowman is dead) point.

4. Finished/backmatter Stories

 I would like to have seen DEFIANT's Schism. DEFIANT was GOOD shit.

Chris, Galactus/Transformers! Hot. Who would draw it?


5. Classic Creator Sleepage

I honestly never really went through that because the first creator whose name I knew was McFarlane. By that time most of the classic were just a mass, not individuals to me and I didn't differentiate. I will say I don't really get Byrne at all. I really don't give a shit about his Superman and think it whackified the character. He's slightly before my time though, and really Byrne was not on my pull list until Nextmen.

6. Story Shock

Strife/Cable was that ill shit!

For me it wasn't one moment. If you read the glory that was the VALIANT line previous, then read Rai #0, I was just shocked and in awe of the ambition that a publisher put on the table. You have to appreciate how VALIANT was set up, telling a story from two points in the timeline IN real time. Rai# 0 was like pre-genesis AND revelations, and instead of hyping events that occur they put the it on themselves to make the journey the selling point, having already given you conclusions to characters you already knew and loved, and the origins of characters you would love.

Chris, true dat. Character death is just stupid at Marvel and DC. I get why, but it shows the lack of faith they have in their "creators".


7. Character who shouldn't have been back

Same thing I said in previous episode thread: Norman Osborne. His role doesn't need him. That could have been ANYONE. It could have been Tomax and Xamot and been hella better. What's worse is that they still apparently sell well, otherwise they'd stop doing the shit. I'm ready for the reign of Ibn al Xu'ffasch.


8. Reboot any book.Creative team. What would be different.

Saw Gail Simone mention this recently. Sea Devils. Give me Francesco Francavilla on the art and give the mic to Paul Dini, who proved he can knock out one-and-dones with TEC.

9. Creator still living, want to meet.

Not being a dick but I'm really not this type of dude. I'm just not wired like that. I'm a big fan of a lot of creators but I don't see the real point of meeting one unless they were hawties looking to buy a bar out. I'm just not suited to be a mega fan. I can't think of anyone in any field that would cause me to even  cross the street to meet unless there was some reason to do so.

10. One book from the Dead.

I kind of miss Nextwave. I'm sure there's some book from my childhood I'd kick myself for forgetting, but there is this group of semi-recent books from Marvel that were cancelled that were IMHO their best shit.

11. Favorite era (I think that was the question).

Coppers/Modern. G.I. Joe is just too awesome.

12. Criminally Underrated artist/writer

All of the ones all of you named are great ones.

I also think there are names we shouldn't forget like Ben Edlund, who has gone on to other projects, but his Tick was AMAZING. Not sure a Denys Cowan ever got the credit his talent deserved. Totleben was scary good before his eye issue. People, Miracleman looks like a MODERN book.

I'd give a special nod to J.J. Jackson who very much was responsible for the visual ambiance of VALIANT and later DEFIANT. We just NOW are giving colorists their credit, but J.J. was creating universes back then.

To me Mark Gruenwald is elite and he doesn't seem considered as such compared to other creators working on Marvel runs of his time.

Colorado? That's on the Tomi list of possible destinations.

The Vincebon Supremacy made fun of my tweets! Big Sad Holidays ruined! Tomio #yearfail at the buzzer Surrender In my defense, my twitter actually has very tight continuity, it's just that I'm often the only one that is aware of all of or any of the threads! Bangs Head This is a cause of sadness Cry


I wouldn't think it possible given how many responses you gave, but I agree with ALLADIS

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« Reply #65 on: 03:12 AM | Friday, December 23, 2011 »

Hey, thanks guys! Hearts
The most powerful aspect of tattooing, for me, is the lifelong bond that is shared between us. You will carry a little bit of me with you everywhere and forever. I'm honored to have played a part in such good times, with such good friends, and everlasting memories. But really, that relationship between artist and client is a byproduct of the art. It's even more awesome when clients become friends. The image, this thing, this totem or avatar, or message, or joke, or tribute or whatever it is... that draws us together. that's the magic. Art. Expression. It's what brings us all here. To this forum. To agree or disagree. To speak up and be heard, or just kick back and listen. Tattoo art or sequential storytelling. The appreciation of differing opinion and shared viewpoints. This forum and podcast has certainly impacted me for the better. I've been introduced to so much awesome because of you guys. Tons of creators, thoughts on process, industry machinations, history, and on and on... But, you've also inspired me to try new things with my own art. The sketchbook challenges have all been outside my normal working methods. Now I'm actually drawing some pages for the upcoming EOC anthology. I even sent a bunch of comics to a dude named Schnuth from Ohio and get to open a Christmas present from Rook187. All this is from what y'all have created here. Thanks, fellas. Congratulations on such a successful and meaningful show.

And Chris, don't be a cock tease with some secret commission for a tattoo. Pull that ace outta your sleeve and send me a email.


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« Reply #66 on: 05:12 AM | Friday, December 23, 2011 »

I even sent a bunch of comics to a dude named Schnuth from Ohio and get to open a Christmas present from Rook187. All this is from what y'all have created here. Thanks, fellas. Congratulations on such a successful and meaningful show.


I understand this TOTALLY! MY roommates were just in awe of the fact that I got so excited about receiving a package from someone I have never met before. "This is one of your nerd things, right?" one of them said. It's a wonderful sense of community here. This was my first gift exchange but it won't be my last! It didn't even matter so much what was in the box I received. What was more important was that it was someone reaching out and sharing what they loved. I sometimes think that it is extremely underestimated the sense of family that goes on here. Thanks guys!
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« Reply #67 on: 07:12 AM | Friday, December 23, 2011 »

1:08:13 - "If you wanted to screw Starlin over, you probably could've picked someone from the Infinity Gauntlet or Warlock and the Infinity Watch."

Ladies and gentlemen, I present the following evidence to the court:

Everything that came after the initial Thanos arc by Jim Starlin, from Thanos #7 to Thanos Imperative #6.

Fave moments on the show for me are when you guys crack up more than usual. I just relistened to the episode when Chris said that he considered himself somewhat of an artist and Vince goes "huh" and Jason breaks into major laughter and everyone joins in. I also loved episode 176 (probably my fave episode) when you guys ran out of things to talk about (but you wanted to keep going) so you started talking about who else is hot.

I love hearing you guys laugh and I usually have a massive grin on my face whenever I hear that you guys are having fun and enjoying yourselves. I love Chris' Krusty the Klown type laugh and Vince's near breathless wheezing (Mr Raker's words). I love how easy it is for you guys to say something that'll make David laugh. I love how good Jason is at saying something that'll make the rest of you guys laugh. Vince's dirty laugh (the way he laughs when he obviously has something dirty in his mind) is priceless.

You guys are really something. Thanks for sharing with all of us your love for one another. Thanks also for giving us this place.

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The Vincebon Supremacy made fun of my tweets!

It's always the highlight of my day whenever I have a twitter exchange with The Vincebon Supremacy.

By the way, I vote we all call him this from now on Thumbs Up
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« Reply #68 on: 08:12 AM | Friday, December 23, 2011 »

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The Vincebon Supremacy made fun of my tweets!

It's always the highlight of my day whenever I have a twitter exchange with The Vincebon Supremacy.

By the way, I vote we all call him this from now on

Except when he's taking the gloves off and throwing down the gauntlet.  Then he's Vincebon Ultimatum.
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« Reply #69 on: 08:12 AM | Friday, December 23, 2011 »

By the way, I vote we all call him this from now on Thumbs Up

I have the power to veto and I WILL USE IT.  Cheesy

Just don't call me late for dinner. BADDA-BING!
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« Reply #70 on: 09:12 AM | Friday, December 23, 2011 »

Great Episode Guys, thanks for another year of some stellar entertainment. I'm engaged and hardly ever leave the house so getting to listen to you guys and spend some time on the forums is about all the comic talk I get. Thanks for letting some of us live vicariously through you guys!  Thumbs Up I have never heard of this Plop! But if Vince likes it then I like it.
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« Reply #71 on: 09:12 AM | Friday, December 23, 2011 »

REPRESENT WOOD! Diss Trimpe you get punched in your damn life box!

Mad props to all, this was a great episode minus the awkward Tomio moment.

1.  Arc I wished would not have existed: Countdown

Coming off 52, DC was on fire to me, and Countdown and the whole buildup to FC IMHO handicapped Morrison, who through only his sheer greatness was able to still ball out and produce the greatest event sans Unity in comic book history. I didn't get that entire ending of Countdown, along with the Starlin Death of the New Gods, and how it helped set up Final Crisis.

I almost wish FC just kind of happened w/o Countdown at all, just Morrison's Batman run.

2. Character Debut All Time

Chris's pick of Dazzler is great. I'm a huge fan and loved the era where she an Longshot were in Uncanny. She has one of the great new costume debuts in Dazzler 28 (the great Blue one) with the sweet yellow cover.

LOVE Cable. People, we have to take it back. For a minute Cable might have been the second most popular mutant character in an era where if you're weren't X-Related or ASM, you were second class. Remember the speculation issue about his first "baby Nathan" appearance"? Hot.

My favorite character debut ever is Storm Shadow. G.I. Joe #21? Get the fuck out of here, the coldest issue ever.

3. Character Debut Last 10 Years

Fantomex, people. Let's be real.

VALIANT is a reboot. As far as we know, the old stuff didn't happen. This is the best way because there have been a couple of reboots with Acclaim that were the suck. There's a lot of terrible stories that occured that most people didn't read or don't remember, so there is no clean break (plus, Shadowman is dead) point.

4. Finished/backmatter Stories

 I would like to have seen DEFIANT's Schism. DEFIANT was GOOD shit.

Chris, Galactus/Transformers! Hot. Who would draw it?


5. Classic Creator Sleepage

I honestly never really went through that because the first creator whose name I knew was McFarlane. By that time most of the classic were just a mass, not individuals to me and I didn't differentiate. I will say I don't really get Byrne at all. I really don't give a shit about his Superman and think it whackified the character. He's slightly before my time though, and really Byrne was not on my pull list until Nextmen.

6. Story Shock

Strife/Cable was that ill shit!

For me it wasn't one moment. If you read the glory that was the VALIANT line previous, then read Rai #0, I was just shocked and in awe of the ambition that a publisher put on the table. You have to appreciate how VALIANT was set up, telling a story from two points in the timeline IN real time. Rai# 0 was like pre-genesis AND revelations, and instead of hyping events that occur they put the it on themselves to make the journey the selling point, having already given you conclusions to characters you already knew and loved, and the origins of characters you would love.

Chris, true dat. Character death is just stupid at Marvel and DC. I get why, but it shows the lack of faith they have in their "creators".


7. Character who shouldn't have been back

Same thing I said in previous episode thread: Norman Osborne. His role doesn't need him. That could have been ANYONE. It could have been Tomax and Xamot and been hella better. What's worse is that they still apparently sell well, otherwise they'd stop doing the shit. I'm ready for the reign of Ibn al Xu'ffasch.


8. Reboot any book.Creative team. What would be different.

Saw Gail Simone mention this recently. Sea Devils. Give me Francesco Francavilla on the art and give the mic to Paul Dini, who proved he can knock out one-and-dones with TEC.

9. Creator still living, want to meet.

Not being a dick but I'm really not this type of dude. I'm just not wired like that. I'm a big fan of a lot of creators but I don't see the real point of meeting one unless they were hawties looking to buy a bar out. I'm just not suited to be a mega fan. I can't think of anyone in any field that would cause me to even  cross the street to meet unless there was some reason to do so.

10. One book from the Dead.

I kind of miss Nextwave. I'm sure there's some book from my childhood I'd kick myself for forgetting, but there is this group of semi-recent books from Marvel that were cancelled that were IMHO their best shit.

11. Favorite era (I think that was the question).

Coppers/Modern. G.I. Joe is just too awesome.

12. Criminally Underrated artist/writer

All of the ones all of you named are great ones.

I also think there are names we shouldn't forget like Ben Edlund, who has gone on to other projects, but his Tick was AMAZING. Not sure a Denys Cowan ever got the credit his talent deserved. Totleben was scary good before his eye issue. People, Miracleman looks like a MODERN book.

I'd give a special nod to J.J. Jackson who very much was responsible for the visual ambiance of VALIANT and later DEFIANT. We just NOW are giving colorists their credit, but J.J. was creating universes back then.

To me Mark Gruenwald is elite and he doesn't seem considered as such compared to other creators working on Marvel runs of his time.

Colorado? That's on the Tomi list of possible destinations.

The Vincebon Supremacy made fun of my tweets! Big Sad Holidays ruined! Tomio #yearfail at the buzzer Surrender In my defense, my twitter actually has very tight continuity, it's just that I'm often the only one that is aware of all of or any of the threads! Bangs Head This is a cause of sadness Cry


yes!!

FANTOMEX-"So I ball so hard the WORLD wanna find me, first weapon infinte gotta find me."

(please note N****s in Paris is the dopest most changable song of the year)

You know what I hate Countdown too but it's now like it's so bad it's good. It fails so much. Oh I refuse to accept Death of the New Gods. It was like everybody who worked at DC didn't really get what Morrison was doing but mad folks reading it did.

I'll say it again-Superhero deaths at this point are stupid. They serve no point, they have no effect. All they do is try take a toy out of the box. At a point it's just mad arrogant to think that you can kill a character and someone else doesn't want to write or draw that character. I'd just bring them back too. The only death that should happen is the never see the body death since if you don't see the body they ain't dead.
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« Reply #72 on: 09:12 AM | Friday, December 23, 2011 »

Excellent episode, gentlemen.  I got everything I wanted in the first few minutes: comics, free thought, and craft beer talk.

Regarding Wolverine as an evolved dog, I've never read those issues, but that actually sounds pretty cool to me.  The implications of this, if taken seriously, could lead to some really interesting stories.

And I have to say, I feel jipped by the show notes.  I thought there would be a good little discussion on Miracleman, but no.  The way Gaiman's story ended and the possibilities of where it could have gone from there, damn, I can't wait for Marvel to settle the rights issue so they can give Miracleman the proper ending it deserves.
Oh hell no.  It was really bad.  And not one of those it sounds like a bad concept and is executed well.  It put it down to there's always a dark haired lupine and a light haired lupine so that's why Wolverine and Sabertooth are mortal enemies.  It's destiny.  I swear this and Ultimatum are probably two of the worst storylines I've ever read.
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And Chris, don't be a cock tease with some secret commission for a tattoo. Pull that ace outta your sleeve and send me a email.


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I'm still battling the war for Andy's tatoo with the lovely Mrs. Tom.  More to come.

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« Reply #74 on: 10:12 AM | Friday, December 23, 2011 »

I'm still battling the war for Andy's tatoo with the lovely Mrs. Tom.  More to come.

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« Reply #75 on: 11:12 AM | Friday, December 23, 2011 »

Your point is a good one, but I've gotta say...It would still be worth it for me. I'd give it all up in a second for a replicator able to generate mint copies of any Bronze book ever published.  Hearts

Just the ads in old books vs new books have me leaning towards your side of the argument, Vince.
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« Reply #76 on: 11:12 AM | Friday, December 23, 2011 »

Jaime is God! To piggyback on Chris the Todd Hignite book "Art of Jaime Hernandez" is a magical tome. My jaw drops every time I look at it, I haven't been able to look at the whole book yet.
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« Reply #77 on: 11:12 AM | Friday, December 23, 2011 »

1:08:13 - "If you wanted to screw Starlin over, you probably could've picked someone from the Infinity Gauntlet or Warlock and the Infinity Watch."

Ladies and gentlemen, I present the following evidence to the court:

Everything that came after the initial Thanos arc by Jim Starlin, from Thanos #7 to Thanos Imperative #6.


 Agree that's some big picture clarity, right there.  Agree
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« Reply #78 on: 11:12 AM | Friday, December 23, 2011 »

Fantomex BECAME cool as can be, but I thought his introduction was a bit fractured without enough 'wow'
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« Reply #79 on: 12:12 PM | Friday, December 23, 2011 »

Thanks for answering my questions guys, it was nice to hear the love. Not that there is ever an absence of love.
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