11 O'Clock Comics Episode 198

[Jay Tomio - Part Deux]

Absolutely! It really is terrific. Well, let me say the new Darth Plagueis book is very similar.

Oh my GOD. I sound like such a Star Wars nut. It's all I'm talking about....

Ok.

Hey! Howabout that Love and Rockets #4?! Left me weeping into my god-damned coffee.

I read Darth Plagueis close to a year ago. Luceno is hit and miss for me. For instance, his lead up to Revenge of the Sith, The Labyrinth of Evil was GREAT and was everything that felt missing in the films ,but the he has stuff like The Rise of Darth Vader which I thought was turrible. Darth Plagueis  was just okay to me, the draw more of the idea of what it tackled than the execution.

I wish Stover wasn't against doing non-New Hope and beyond  era work (aside from the novelization) because he could have slammed that.

[NickBrok]

Hoot! Sorry guys. My fault for the derailment. 

[Hassan T]

Another great episode.

The Before Watchmen talk was really good. I think I am more in the Chris camp. I am actually excited for Before Watchmen because I think it sounds interesting and the creators DC has lined up. Is it a money grab? As Jason mentioned, everything publishers do is a money grab. The thing that we hope is that the publishers tries to put out the best product possible at the same time. Do I wish the creators were doing their own creator owned series? I guess, but I could say that about any hot creator doing work at the big two. The problem is that we say that online, but them when creators do their own creator owned books, they don't sell as much.

If this event (and it is DC’s event for the summer) bombs, would it ruin the original series?  At least from my perspective, I don’t think so. The new Star Wars movies didn’t ruin the original movies to me.  Godfather III didn’t ruin the first two movies. I guess because I do compartmentalize things. I still love the original Dark Knight Returns, even though the sequel is one of the worst Batman stories I ever read.

The one thing I would mention is that people feel that it is stand-alone piece of fiction by designed. I would disagree and say that it became a stand-alone piece of fiction over time and chance. Both Moore and Gibbons thought about doing another Watchmen series prior to Moore's split with DC. And as HeroesMask mentioned both Moore and Gibbons even contributed to Watchmen - Mayfair role-playing game modules. Last time I check, no one produced a Moby Dick role playing game. And there were a lot of stories that were meant to be stand-alone but then other creators ended up using them in their own stories, including Alan Moore himself.

The Spider-Island talk was also very good. In retrospective, I do think Spider-Island was my second favorite Marvel storyline (favorite was the Dark Angel saga in Uncanny X-Force).  Part of me wished that this was Marvel’s big company event versus Fear Itself. It was more enjoyable, better written, and it did feature a lot of the Marvel super-heroes. The only complaint I had, and it is a minor one, was the reveal of the big bad, the Queen. I have been reading Amazing Spider-man on a regular basis over 10 years and I had no idea who this person was. Yes, Slott did a great job giving you the back-story, but I was expecting someone that I knew and not a character that only appeared in one random story years ago.

[Wood]

Man this thread is all kindsa hijacked!  

My two cents stems from Woods comments about Hollywood recycling repeatable familiar stuff cuz thats whats selling, and your absolutely right. It sells so they make more, even its its all, or mostly crap. It's a fucked up cycle that only the public can fix by not spending money on it, but it seems that never happens, for whatever reason.

To quote Tech N9ne:

Just cuz your shit went platinum only means there's a million stupid muhfuckas out there.

Or something like that.

Yeah yeah!  Einstein, Tek Nine...Einstein, Tek Nine.

[Jay Tomio - Part Deux]

The other side of the coin:

You cats is home screaming the fight's on
I'm in the fifteen hundred seats, watching Tyson
Same night, same fight
But one of us cats ain't playing right,

I let you tell it.

[David]

Sorry, y'all. I like the prequels. Sure most of Anakin and Padme's dialoque is dire (almost as if it was written to be understood by young 'uns...), but I like the story. A young man's inexorable fall to the dark side (and all the factors that encouraged it) and then his redemption via the efforts of his heroic son. That's a lovely tale. And it's got awesome space scenes and Darth fuckin' Maul! AND, if one cares to look more carefully (as one might do as they get older) there's relevant commentry on differing types of politics. Sorry, but that's clever.

Sure, it's a cool story.  That's a given.  It's the execution that is lacking.  We make the same exceptions with comicbooks.  That story was tight, but the art didn't match it. or Man, that was a pretty book, it's a shame the story was so dull.

It's great kids love the first three just like we old folks love the original three.

I can keep the two series separate.  The continuity nerd in me knows one leads into the other.

[New Mutant]

Here's what I just found funny; here after the role call you guys were talking about Matt and his FPW promotions on YouTube, and verbalizing plans about meeting him. Vince reassuringly said "It'll happen," and suddenly an insane surge of jealously welled up in me and I started to say aloud (to no one in particular, mind you) ""FUCK THAT!! If ANYBODY from America gets to meet Matt first IT'LL BE ME MUTHAFUCKKKAAA--"

And then I realized, if it weren't for 11 o'Clock Comics, I'd never have heard of my dear friend Templar, in the first place.  My bad. You can have dibs.

So now I'm a mushy mess, full of appreciation for every damn body.  Where are my fucking tissues?

Thanks again, men.  You guys are aces.

[GrimlocksPS]

Great Discussion boys, loved every second of it.

Only the Darwyn Cooke Minute Men book remotely intrigues me. I experienced Watchmen well after it was released so its not the game changer it is to a lot of you Guys and Gals.

I'm one of the few who didn't mind DK2.

I can enjoy Watchmen for the singular story it is, if I decided to get the MM book and it sucks, it won't ruin Watchmen for me.

[New Mutant]

Wait a second...

To read the complete Curse of the Crimson Corsair serial, you'll need to get every issue of every title?

Ah. Good thing it never caught my eye.

[Julian Lytle]

I can't handle this Skywalker hate.

He was the first character I ever thought was unstoppable. Luke MOFUGGIN Skywalker...say what?!?!

If you have Skywalker problems I feel bad for you sun, I got 99 heroes and Luke ain't one.
Now Hit me!! (beat drops)

Han is tougher than Luke? Huh? Would that be the same Han who let a clone stick him in future-cement all because he owed a fat ol' dude some loot? Last time I checked Luke was beating Han at the pimphand game (until he realized Leia was his sister, then he let her bounce to ol' boy), AND Luke arranged for Han's rescue and rolled into Jabba's palace and WRECKED SHOP including taking out a giant beast...all in a day's work.

Yeah Han is tougher than Luke. He has a ship and a giant dog person as a sidekick. I also notice you bringing in that Prequel mess-you know back in the day BOBA FETT WAS THAT DUDE. Like fam...He had a jet pack.
WHOA.
It took Boba, Vader, and Jabba to put him in the cement. Also his game is tighter cause he didn't kiss his cot damn SISTER. where was the force then. Like the force should'a  been like "AY YO LITTLE HOMIE DATS NASTY! UUGGGHHHH! SHE YOUR BLOOD!!!" Han is the iciest for his sealing line after Leia told him she loved him. All he said was I know.
ICY!! Coldest in the galazy, only second to...

Lando is tougher than Luke? Would that be the same Lando that let Vader get the drop on him, IN HIS OWN HOME!?!? If Lando was a BAWSE he would've had Cloud City gangsta-fortified. He would've had snitches on the city edges, he would've had cyber-spiked tiger pits ready to open up when they got into his offices, and he would've had snipers 'n vipers ready to make quick work of that Giant Cyborg-Jedi before he had the chance to get the jump. And THEN? AND THEN after Vader got the jump, a real BAWSE would've died before giving up his boys like dat. That's straight BITCHASSNESS.

Lando was a bitch. Through and through.

LANDO IS COOLEST DUDE IN THE WHOLE DAMN THING.The only reason why it even made sense he got punked by Vader cause at the time everyone thought he was James Earl Jones. See that made sense if you know about Bingo Long and the traveling all stars and motor kings. And sorry being that he's the ONLY BLACK MAN IN THE GALAXY HE NEEDS TO STAY ALIVE!! He knew Han would get out cause that's his boy. Lando was a old school pimp, not a gorilla pimp.

Knowing what we know now his sheer flyness should've melted old flabby pale ale anakin. Also anakin seems to like betraying the only cool black person in each trilogy.

[VinceB]

And sorry being that he's the ONLY BLACK MAN IN THE GALAXY HE NEEDS TO STAY ALIVE!!

 

[ScorpioSteele]

Howdy. I'm new.

Anyway...

I posted this under another thread, but here it is again:

"I own WATCHMAN (sic). When we finish with the WATCHMAN (sic) series, then it reverts to us." ~Alan Moore interviewed in the December, 1985 issue of Mile High Futures, the newsletter magazine of Mile High Comics.

"(I)t's obviously very nice to think that sometime in the future they might do a V FOR VENDETTA movie or a WATCHMAN (sic) movie and I could be rich forever. But that's not the prime thing. The prime thing is the act of creation itself. If I look after that, I have an almost religious conviction that the rest will look after itself." ~Alan Moore interviewed in the December, 1985 issue of Mile High Futures.

My problem with the prequels is that Alan Moore was gypped out of owning Watchmen. That's the only solid reason I have against further stories with these characters. Sure, Alan Moore has done his own stuff against his former friends and colleagues (preventing Rick Veitch and Steve Bissette from publishing a 1963 collection with Moore's name on it) but the fact that Moore and Gibbons don't own Watchmen is disappointing. When you go back and read old interviews with Moore he was very bright and cheery, optimistic. The loss of Watchmen surely affected him very deeply and influenced the man he is now.

(This interview was conducted before Watchmen was released, hence the interviewer, Leanne C. Harper, getting the name of the book wrong.)

[Wood]

If you have Skywalker problems I feel bad for you sun, I got 99 heroes and Luke ain't one.
Now Hit me!! (beat drops)

Yeah Han is tougher than Luke. He has a ship and a giant dog person as a sidekick. I also notice you bringing in that Prequel mess-you know back in the day BOBA FETT WAS THAT DUDE. Like fam...He had a jet pack.
WHOA.
It took Boba, Vader, and Jabba to put him in the cement. Also his game is tighter cause he didn't kiss his cot damn SISTER. where was the force then. Like the force should'a  been like "AY YO LITTLE HOMIE DATS NASTY! UUGGGHHHH! SHE YOUR BLOOD!!!" Han is the iciest for his sealing line after Leia told him she loved him. All he said was I know.
ICY!! Coldest in the galazy, only second to...

LANDO IS COOLEST DUDE IN THE WHOLE DAMN THING.The only reason why it even made sense he got punked by Vader cause at the time everyone thought he was James Earl Jones. See that made sense if you know about Bingo Long and the traveling all stars and motor kings. And sorry being that he's the ONLY BLACK MAN IN THE GALAXY HE NEEDS TO STAY ALIVE!! He knew Han would get out cause that's his boy. Lando was a old school pimp, not a gorilla pimp.

Knowing what we know now his sheer flyness should've melted old flabby pale ale anakin. Also anakin seems to like betraying the only cool black person in each trilogy.

So your retorts are that because Han has a busted up old jalopy ship and a pet, he's cooler than the galaxies top Jedi Knight?

And your other retort is that Lando's flaws don't matter because he's black and has to live?

Nah son.  A punk is a punk, cool pet or not.

[Julian Lytle]

So your retorts are that because Han has a busted up old jalopy ship and a pet, he's cooler than the galaxies top Jedi Knight?

And your other retort is that Lando's flaws don't matter because he's black and has to live?

Nah son.  A punk is a punk, cool pet or not.

First of all it's real easy to be the best when you're the only jedi knight (I don't want to hear about no BS books or comics after)

Dude Han Solo is Han Solo that alone makes him cooler than a whiney kid with a mop top. Get a haircut hippie.

Actually I don't care if Lando is a punk his fly ass perm and cape absolves  him of any flaws.

[Farrell]

Luke wasn't the baddest Jedi Knight in the galaxy, not by a long shot, and that's with only two to choose from.  His dear old dad was the baddest.  Swinging around a glow stick doesn't do much to convince me you're bad-ass when you're still a wide-eyed, whiny idiot the entire time.  Yoda was old enough to know Jedi Knights when they were blocking laser beams.  Luke was just the best he could do on short notice.  And when it came down to it, and Luke had a chance to kick some real ass, he needed a sudden change of heart from pops to avoid becoming crispy at the fingertips of a geriatric ex-politician.

[Wood]

First of all it's real easy to be the best when you're the only jedi knight (I don't want to hear about no BS books or comics after)

Dude Han Solo is Han Solo that alone makes him cooler than a whiney kid with a mop top. Get a haircut hippie.

Actually I don't care if Lando is a punk his fly ass perm and cape absolves  him of any flaws.

 

OK, so now the argument is falling back to hair styles and a complete disregard for anything else that's Lucas sanctioned but not in the 3 films?

Gotcha

 

[Julian Lytle]

OK, so now the argument is falling back to hair styles and a complete disregard for anything else that's Lucas sanctioned but not in the 3 films?

Gotcha

 

Yeah man I hate talking to people about star wars and they throw in stuff from some random ass book. Like did you read this that and the third? NO. All I see is Mark Hamill a character that had to get his hand cut off by his dad to get tough.

Oh hell yeah we talking hair styles. That's important to Billy Dee. That's what made him cold as ice.

Oh and I just remembered isn't Luke saying Han paying Han back for saving his ass on Hoth making that Tahn Tahn? I think so my friend. In other words Han knew that Luke better get him when he got back from the swamp chilling with muppets.

[Adam O. Pruett]

My problem with the prequels is that Alan Moore was gypped out of owning Watchmen. That's the only solid reason I have against further stories with these characters.

I'm with you. 

[Jay Tomio - Part Deux]

Yoda was old enough to know Jedi Knights when they were blocking laser beams.  Luke was just the best he could do on short notice.  And when it came down to it, and Luke had a chance to kick some real ass, he needed a sudden change of heart from pops to avoid becoming crispy at the fingertips of a geriatric ex-politician.

Yoda sat around for decades hiding like a bitch from that geriatric ex-politician.

I don't think Anakin/Vader's badassness is in dispute even with the aforementioned pussification of the characters. No shame in getting hemmed up with something so badass that it requires the fucking chosen one to intercede and have to toss fools.

Luke also beat a Rancor with a god damn rock and a switch, got David on that ass.

[badartdog]

That Courtyard analysis? Y'all did that before. I know cos it made me order it and Neonomicon 1. Sheesh - it's like Jason doesn't listen to what the others are saying on the shows.