11 O'Clock Comics Episode 203

[whirlwindx]

Nice episode besides the skype troubles. I've have read a lot of big DC stuff since I've always been more of a Marvel Guy. Haven't read the Killing Joke (but I own it), or the Judas Contact, or Crisis on Infinite Earths, or Byrne's Super Man, or.... I hadn't read the Dark Knight Returns until a couple of years ago.

Just picked up Fallen Angels this weekend and a few old Valiant issues. Never read the Valiant/Ultraverse stuff but the discussion made me interested.

[leafinsectman (Dan)]

I can't believe I just finished this episode today. I miss Jason and I'm gonna miss Chris next episode

Loved the Walking Dead talk near the end. And I'm not even watching/reading the thing!

I think you guys might disown me but these 'evergreen' titles that you speak of (Watchmen, DKR, Born Again), I just don't feel the same way about them. I recognise that they're landmark pieces of work and that the creative teams are damn talented people but it's sort of like how Shakespeare is considered to be one of the greats and yet I'm sure most of us here aren't really into it. I don't think they're bad, I'm just not blown away by them. Maybe I had to be there at the time that it was coming out, maybe we have to discuss it over a nice bottle of wine (hi DAP!), I don't know.

That said, I'm only 2 issues into Born Again so things could change for that book. I do like the fact that it's set in the main present day universe (present day back in 86) as opposed to some messed up future/alternate reality. I'll listen to this episode again when I finish reading Born Again in a few day's time. You guys do have an uncanny way of making me like something that I initially didn't groove on or making me love something that I initially just liked.

[Jeppe]

I think you guys might disown me but these 'evergreen' titles that you speak of (Watchmen, DKR, Born Again), I just don't feel the same way about them. I recognise that they're landmark pieces of work and that the creative teams are damn talented people

You had me 

but it's sort of like how Shakespeare is considered to be one of the greats and yet I'm sure most of us here aren't really into it.

... and then you lost me. Nobody disses the Bard of Avon 




 

[Dotanuki]

<-- REALLY INTO SHAKESPEARE. >  

Hamlet & MacBeth FTW

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/2-72oaAS9hc&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/2-72oaAS9hc&rel=1</a>

http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi1218813209/

[Jeppe]

<-- REALLY INTO SHAKESPEARE. >  

Hamlet & MacBeth FTW

 

[leafinsectman (Dan)]

Nobody disses the Bard of Avon 

<-- REALLY INTO SHAKESPEARE. > 

Sorry!

[Bluenote77]

Born Again has been sitting on my Regina pile since the gift exchange when JeremyG sent it my way. After Tale of Sand, it's my next read.

[leafinsectman (Dan)]

Finished Born Again. Loved it. There, can we be friends again?

[David]

Finished Born Again. Loved it. There, can we be friends again?

[leafinsectman (Dan)]

 

[leafinsectman (Dan)]

Oh snap, I forgot to mention it earlier. I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE that FF Reed and Victor dinner annual!

[Branagin77]

I lost my crack rock     It was in a bag labeled episode 204...please help me find it..

[LA Rabbit]

Big ups on the massive amounts of downloads.  Can we now have the million comic fan march?  Where will you lead us next?

I thought I had not run Born Again until Dan (Leafinsectman) posted the panel with Nuke, "Gimme a red" which is the only thing I remember from that run.  As the King said, we were pulling these issues off the rack (I might have still had a subscription in the mail) and just enjoying it.  I did not think of it as some particular story arc, it was just Daredevil.  I liked Nuke.  I also like Ann Nocenti's run.  They did have named Arc's back then (like Kree Skrull war) but it was rare and I didn't think of them that way.  It was before everyone had written for the trade.  You just got your books, read them and enjoyed.  We did talk about them (like I do now virtually on these boards) but the constant dissection months before a book comes out was not happening.  I will likely get the Artist Edition of this as I haven't read the books since I bought them and they are rotting away in storage thousands of miles away.

There are a crapton of great, classic comics that I have not read.  The early 60's and earlier stuff is very hit or miss for me personally.  I try things here and there (Eisner Spirit for example) but it usually doesn't speak to me.  The 70s are right before I started so I have missed things there.  Took the '90s off so missed the classics from that period (basically the entire Image stuff from their beginning, Valient, etc).

Saw the Valiant poster with the reading code and the talking lips at Wondercon.  It was clever but seems like some work.  Excited for Van Lente on Archer & Armstrong. 

Thanks again gentlemen.

[David]

I did not think of it as some particular story arc, it was just Daredevil.

It was just Daredevil.  And back then it wasn't unusual to have an artist on a book for more than four issues straight, so nothing was really out of the norm, other than Frank Miller returning.

But it sure felt different compared to the other titles Marvel published while Born Again was happening.

They did have named Arc's back then (like Kree Skrull war) but it was rare and I didn't think of them that way.

I don't think anyone did.

[dreamscaper]

Oh geez, I'm in a race with a (LA) Rabbit to get caught up! 

 I have to admit that Maus and Sandman are two books for me that I shoulda but dinna get around to. Never say never though.  I guess with them always being available I just don't feel any real pressure to grab 'em.

 Born Again brought me back to Daredevil. I was a fan all through Miller's first time with the character (happened to luck into that run around issue 159 or so) and even stayed after he left the book but had not been reading leading upto his return. Wasn't Mazzuchelli on the book before Miller came back for Born Again? I seem to remember at the time some people at my LCS saying that his work during Miller's arc really changed to fit the storytelling, so much so that there was some thought that Miller was perhaps doing some layouts for it. I agree that it was a clear notch above Year One and that is saying something. 

 I was a fan of Lightle  on doom Patrol and gave up on it during the Larson issues. I remember searching high and low for the early Morrison stuff when a friend put me on to it after Wreckage had already started. (remember, some of those were once hard to find )

  I still have my Flex Mentallo issues - I bought them at the time they came out because of a sense of Cosmic linear awareness that told me I would possibly never know the same people that Chris does and therefore not have access to them at a later date...   

<-- REALLY INTO SHAKESPEARE. >  

 

Uhm, don't you mean really into SIR FRANCIS BACON?