Jim Lee Speaks about Alan Moore...

[JimN]

Eric Larsen was set off by that cartoon via Twitter, I thought it was well done and proved a valid point.

I thought so too. What did Larsen say?

Jim

[S. Earl]

I thought so too. What did Larsen say?

Jim

"@ErikJLarsen: And it doesn't help that corporate apologists are muddying the waters with irrelevant straw man arguments. http://t.co/02b1Cg52
 "

And it goes on from there via the various responses and what not.

[JimN]

"@ErikJLarsen: And it doesn't help that corporate apologists are muddying the waters with irrelevant straw man arguments. http://t.co/02b1Cg52
 "

And it goes on from there via the various responses and what not.

LOL! Thanks.

Jim

[evaD]

If you feel it doesn't hold water, so be it.

The Batman and Robin movie didn't ruin the comicbooks for me.  Same thing with the Fantastic Four movies and Superman Returns.

I can separate the mediums.  The movies are not the comicbooks and vice versa.  Someone wants to adapt or translate a comicbook to a movie, that doesn't change the Absolute I have sitting on my shelf.  Which is similar to what Moore said when they made the From Hell movie.

It's good that you can recognize the difference between movies and comics. I tried putting a comic in my DVD player a few years ago, but it wouldn't read it.  
I think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying or I'm not being clear. Probably what I should be saying is, "I don't care about the movies, they exist and are the only example of DC doing anything to mess with the Watchmen." But other than that, DC has done nothing with Watchmen other than reprint it, so how does a concern about someone butchering the characters enter into the conversation? That was your response to my question about why would he want ownership back if he wasn't planning to do anything more with them, wasn't it? That he wouldn't want someone messing around with his creations. That was your reason why he would want the rights back. For over 20 years all DC has done is reprint the 12 issues and have that movie made - so what other messing around are you referring to? The only thing I can think of is the movie, so I assumed that's what you were talking about. If you weren't talking about the movie and there's been no other messing around up until now, then what are you talking about?

[David]

But other than that, DC has done nothing with Watchmen other than reprint it, so how does a concern about someone butchering the characters enter into the conversation? That was your response to my question about why would he want ownership back if he wasn't planning to do anything more with them, wasn't it? That he wouldn't want someone messing around with his creations. That was your reason why he would want the rights back. For over 20 years all DC has done is reprint the 12 issues and have that movie made - so what other messing around are you referring to? The only thing I can think of is the movie, so I assumed that's what you were talking about. If you weren't talking about the movie and there's been no other messing around up until now, then what are you talking about?

To prevent his characters from being butchered.  Not after.



I knew I should have stayed away from this thread.  Soon as I saw it pop up yesterday, that's what I told myself I going to do.  Should've listened to myself...

[thefreakytiki]

I knew I should have stayed away from this thread.  Soon as I saw it pop up yesterday, that's what I told myself I going to do.  Should've listened to myself...

Like the sailors drawn to the Sirens, You can not resist the sweet allure of a Tiki thread. :dances sexily in front of monitor to tempt DAP:


The Tiki

[steve bryant]

Like the sailors drawn to the Sirens, You can not resist the sweet allure of a Tiki thread. :dances sexily in front of monitor to tempt DAP:

Now I will always see you as Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs.

[JimN]

Now I will always see you as Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs.

It puts the Watchmen in the basket.

[thefreakytiki]

Now I will always see you as Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs.

I am not a "tucker". 

 


the Tiki

[evaD]

To prevent his characters from being butchered.  Not after.



I knew I should have stayed away from this thread.  Soon as I saw it pop up yesterday, that's what I told myself I going to do.  Should've listened to myself...

To be honest, I had the same thought when reading your responses. I have this compulsion, though...

The only reason I respond on things like this is because I always feel like I'm not making myself clear. And I know I'm still not, but I think we're both past the point of giving a crap. Sorry to have wasted your time.

Edit: Still love you though.

[David]

Sorry to have wasted your time.

If I thought it was a waste of my time I wouldn't respond to your last post.

Trust me, it's not you.  It's the topic in general.

Edit: Still love you though.

Backatcha. XOXOXO

[evaD]

It's the topic in general.

Yes. That is my compulsion. I hate it, for so many reasons, chief among them that it's always just conjecture, and yet I get sucked in every time. Every time. The topic just has to start with some variation of "Alan Moore said... blah blah Watchmen." And my hands start typing while my brain is still saying, "don't look, don't looook!"
Anyway, I'm glad you're understanding.

[JimN]

Yes. That is my compulsion. I hate it, for so many reasons, chief among them that it's always just conjecture, and yet I get sucked in every time. Every time. The topic just has to start with some variation of "Alan Moore said... blah blah Watchmen." And my hands start typing while my brain is still saying, "don't look, don't looook!".

 :rofl:I seem to suffer from the same affliction...

... and I've decided to claim I caught it from you.

[Dotanuki]

This thread featured comments about Mr. Jame Gum/Buffalo Bill and tucking...this thread has been WORTH IT! LMAFO  

[RickV]

I find this discussion interesting that it came back to characters because I think the characters of Watchmen are only special when surrounded by every other piece of Watchmen. Which is also the reason doing something with the characters separated from the world wouldn't anger the level headed fans (the same that LoEG or Lost Girls doesn't) because there is more to the original story than just the characters. Before Watchmen places itself into the world and is directly referencing scenes from the original in Issue #1 of at least one of the books that those images came from. If it wasn't a matter of respect for me the audacity of that would still keep me away.

Also much like AKIRA, Watchmen was a book all about the 80s and the fears of the times and what was going on with people at the time in the place it is set. Doing a prequel to that 25 years later will have NONE of that.



(And my hands start typing while my brain is still saying, "don't look, don't looook!")

[evaD]

:rofl:I seem to suffer from the same affliction...

... and I've decided to claim I caught it from you.

Sadly, it seems to be a lifelong affliction.

[JimN]

I find this discussion interesting that it came back to characters because I think the characters of Watchmen are only special when surrounded by every other piece of Watchmen. Which is also the reason doing something with the characters separated from the world wouldn't anger the level headed fans (the same that LoEG or Lost Girls doesn't) because there is more to the original story than just the characters.

For what it's worth, I consider myself level-headed and Lost Girls troubles me. I'm not willing to say it shouldn't have been created but I doubt I'm alone in finding it off-putting and disrespectful.

I can't really buy the idea that doing something with the Watchmen characters outside of that world wouldn't anger "level-headed fans". I feel confident saying there would be a strong reaction (perhaps even stronger than the reaction to these prequels) if DC started doing Rorscach/Batman team-ups, had Dr. Manhattan join the JLA and had the Comedian and Nite Owl in a crossover adventure with Wonder Woman and Superman.

Before Watchmen places itself into the world and is directly referencing scenes from the original in Issue #1 of at least one of the books that those images came from. If it wasn't a matter of respect for me the audacity of that would still keep me away.

That doesn't seem particularly audacious to me but to each their own.

Also much like AKIRA, Watchmen was a book all about the 80s and the fears of the times and what was going on with people at the time in the place it is set. Doing a prequel to that 25 years later will have NONE of that.

They don't need to have any of that to work. They can work for different reasons. When it comes to telling stories, it's all in the execution. These new stories can explore new themes. The characters can work out of their original context. They might not work but again, that will be due to execution, not because it's impossible to make them work outside the confines of the original comics.

Jim

[Julian Lytle]

I don't get that cartoon. Wasn't those character public domain when others started using them?

[RedMoses]

I don't get that cartoon. Wasn't those character public domain when others started using them?

And did he create them with the understanding that he would have the rights to them handed over to him at a certain point?

[JimN]

I don't get that cartoon. Wasn't those character public domain when others started using them?

Yes, they were in the public domain. I think Templeton was poking fun at the arguments raging over the ethics involved in using characters created by others without their permission and at the people who take highly polarized, extreme views on these subjects (among other things).