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I personally think that Scott path to the darkside, began actually with Claremont. Think about how he treated Madeline. But really his problem is that he is a great battle leader, he is not a spiritual leader. Grant Morrison did a lot of the groundwork as well.
So its not a sudden twist. He is just been heading that way for over 30 years.
I wouldn't call it the dark side but the series of the events from the last few years definitely has lead Scott to where he is and I certainly don't blame him.
Sure as hell he is. He's breaking into prisons and other places and grabbing mutants without any thought of due process.
You're getting it mixed up. The government is the one snatching up mutants...and someone is just flat out sending Sentinels after mutants.
(More on Cyke post AvX below.)
And Scott has a TON of blood on his hands, he did create X-Force after all.
I love this debate...Let's set the scene for X-Force.
A para military religious group attacks a town in Alaska to kill one newly born mutant baby. The torch the whole town killing every man woman and child they across. Taking a flame thrower to the maternity ward of a hospital? All to kill one newly born mutant child...and we're talking about killing a whole town of humans here.
So with a little over three or four hundred mutants left Cyclops is supposed to wait for these people to come to his door? They could easily suicide bomb a whole block to kill one mutant walking down the street and wouldn't shed a tear. I probably would have done the same thing Cyke did in forming a proactive group to take them out. Is there some ethics issues with killing? Probably but I'm flawed and would lean more towards the Punisher if my family was ever threatened. But hey that's just me.
I think y'all are being a bit too forgiving about the term, but whether you want to call him a terrorist or not, he's damn sure a villain now. Even (most) of his own people despise him.
Now how Wolverine gets to be an Avengers and headmaster while Cyclops can't be forgiven for killing Charlie while possessed by the Phoenix is another question entirely.
Scott is ABSOLUTELY a terrorist. Why? Because once a terrorist always a terrorist. This is a guy that has threatened harm to our citizenry if we don't obey his wishes, and has proven (both as Phoenix and as himself) that he's willing to escalate things to accomplish his goals.
Alright so the Phoenix Five tried to use their god like powers to fix the world and made sure no one would ever starve again. What did they ask for in return? An end to all war. Or they'll take away all your weapons that you use to kill maim and destroy. Yeah forcing your will upon others isn't exactly the right thing to do but does the ends justify the means? Debatable and therein lies the fun. Look at it from the view of the people who were starving and suddenly find that they have food in their mouths and clothes on their backs. Or the mass genocides happening over seas. Hell some of the UN (if not all) even backed the Phoenix Five but the Avengers wasn't having it. At that point the Avengers were the terrorists.
Tony Stark tried to kill the Phoenix Force shattering it, forcing it to find new hosts. The Phoenix Five brought peace to the world. And yeah some struggled more than others to maintain control. But what did the Avengers do? Constantly attacked the Phoenix Five until each member lost their powers which was divided up among the rest making them more powerful and unstable until only two remained.
And Scott should certainly take some of the blame for his actions in AvX but he shouldn't be the only person to lay the blame on.
Now for post AvX world I can understand people calling him a terrorist when he says things like this:
But you've got to view it in context. AvX Consequences is a
must read. Cyke went to jail and tried playing by the usual rules. He tried the peaceful approach and what did he get? Kicked in the face. Either the government of certain big corporations are trying to make a profit out of mutant prisons and anti-mutant weapons. They showed him the prisons they were building for mutants. They but the inhibitor collar around his neck and shocked him when they felt the need. And what happened to Cyke's only cellmate? He was set up and murdered. At that point Cyke had enough talking and decided he wasn't going to play their game and end up a martyr. He was going to make a difference in mutant lives start a revolution for mutant rights which leads us to here:
So let's run down exactly what Cyclops did wrong.
1. Broke out of prison. (A fair trial is debatable but Sinister also forced his hand. Uncanny X-Men vol 2 #20).
2. Broke Emma out of confinement.
3. Resisted arrest when he came to the aid of newly discovered mutants who were either A. forcibly being detained by government forces because they are mutants or B. flat out attacked by Sentinels when their powers manifested.
So did Cyclops "use violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes", in self defense for mutants yes. So that may make him a terrorist but I don't see him as the villain.
Baffled so far. How did you not read Secret Warriors? How did y'all not know what happened to Charlie?
Y'all's mad rusty yo. Mad rusty.
Definitely worth checking out. One my favorite runs. It's a shame that Hickman decided not the do the full 60 issues he had originally planned. He cut it down to around 28. There were some great teams he introduced that didn't get nearly enough screen time.
Say, does anyone know if the Marvel digital comics/issues contain or use that AR feature?
Yeah I was going to say that it should work but the digital comics don't have the AR icon. Marvel just needs the AR image in digital comics to act a link. I'd love to be able to just touch the icon on my ipad and have it launch.Hell every digital comic should have them give a brief (spoiler free) profile of a character. LOL they could take it back to the comic cards with power levels and stuff.
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