11 O'Clock Comics Episode 9

[David]

So why don't they print a monthly Peanuts book - or a Calvin and Hobbes - or Terry and the Pirates (maybe they do) - I would totally dig that - leave them in black in white - these would make for great reprints - even package them together. 

You guys work great together - enjoy your podcast.

-bh

Comics Revue is a magazine I remember seeing in the shops as I was growing up and is still published today.  From the site:

Rick Norwood's Comics Revue is the only monthly magazine in America devoted entirely to comic strips.

Current and classic strips in Comics Revue include:

Full color Tarzan by Russ Manning, Casey Ruggles by Warren Tufts

Flash Gordon by Dan Barry and Harry Harrison

* Rick O'Shay * Steve Canyon * Batman * Tarzan * Gasoline Alley * The Amazing Spider-man * Barnaby * Calvin and Hobbes * Judge Dread * Krazy Kat * Little Orphan Annie * The Phantom * Flash Gordon * Buz Sawyer * Sky Masters * Casey Ruggles * Latigo * Alley Oop * Modesty Blaise * B.C. * Teen-age Mutant Ninja Turtles * Sir Bagby * Gordo * and many more.

Artists who have appeared in Comic Revue include most of the great comic strip artists of all time:

* Hal Foster * Milton Caniff * Roy Crane * Russ Manning * Dick Moores * Carmine Infantino * Marshall Rogers * Bill Watterson * Sy Barry * Dan Barry * Jack Kirby * Dick Ayers * Todd McFarlane * Stan Lynde * Warren Tufts * George Herriman * Johnny Hart * Romero * Walt Simonson * Wally Wood * Stan Lynde * Paul Chadwick and * Geroge Perez.

Comics Revue also features reviews and checklists of comic strip reprints as well as episode guides to many strips.

That's awesome that your son is diggin' Peanuts.  Makes me smile.

And thanks for the kind words, good sir.

[DoctorTeeth]

Excellent show as always, boys, even if the discussion of numbers did make me a little sad.  And like everyone's said to KY Comic Guy: that commercial was awesome.  I laughed out loud, which would have been awkward at work but I'm the only one in my office.

[DoctorTeeth]

In the most technical terms, Vince is right. It's sequential storytelling. A storyboard is at it's core a comic strip.
My point is that there are ways that you can use the printed page in ways that a camera can't come close to. Most of the comics we read today don't push the boundaries of the medium so we don't think about it. I really enjoyed Sin City, but it's a perfect example of taking the comic too literally when translating to film.

Think about the two page spread in Promethia with the tarot cards. There's no freaking way to do that with film and have the same effect...

Exactly!  Many issues of Promethea wouldn't work as "storyboards" even though they are comics.  (You can find other examples of this many issues of The Spirit, and the splash on pages 2 and 3 in this week's Final Crisis #2, just to name a couple more.)  Comic strips and traditional comic panels can work as storyboards, but it's when you do work with the medium itself that the comparison doesn't really work.

(I don't know if I was very clear there, I just mostly wanted to agree with Chris.)

[darrell]

A writer may hope it gets picked up as a movie, but storyboards and comic books are two separate mediums.  They are not interchangeable.

Why cant they be ?

[AZN_FIST]

Enjoyed this episode a lot...but that story of Wood bringing up about Filipino artists, specifically why Whilce Portacio didn't like Leinil Yu and his art was intriguing. On a side note, I felt like an idiot to not have purchased a copy of Dave Sim's Judenhass at my lcs when I knew I could've...those numbers Wood mentioned have really made me think of what I've been buying lately.

[Papercut]

Was anyone else left hanging when there was not one utterance of "WONDERFULK!" during the Planet Hulk segment?  Vince must truly hate Marvel to let that one slip by now... 

[Jefferson]

Was anyone else left hanging when there was not one utterance of "WONDERFULK!" during the Planet Hulk segment?  Vince must truly hate Marvel to let that one slip by now... 

Yes. Karma for noticing that THERE was an elephant in the room.

[Wood]

Was anyone else left hanging when there was not one utterance of "WONDERFULK!" during the Planet Hulk segment?  Vince must truly hate Marvel to let that one slip by now... 

I actually said it to entice Vince into discussing the book but it got covered up b/c there were two of us talking

[DGoodhart]

Listening now...

Daniel Acuna is one of the few artists that pretty much shines regardless of who he's working for, as someone who's really a big fan, there really is no difference between his work for Mavel or DC- I mean he's not a guy who says, well today I'm working for DC so I'll slop it off, and then tomorrow I'll be at Marvel and make it really good.  There really is no difference in what he's doing stylistically between either company, and he's one of the few artists that I've seen who can actually transcend what he's doing and always look distinct no matter what...

... and I'll fight anyone who disagrees and kick their asses...

And good to see David using the right pronunciation for Paul Pelletier's name... (yes, I did the "schooling,"  I met Paul ages and ages ago when we were both working for Alpha Productions and we met in person at a con that Alpha sponsored in Maine, and paul and I got along pretty well I must say)...

The talk of numbers to me is just foolish more than anything else, and you'll just keep wondering why the hell isn't anything doing better... sorry, nothing is going to do any better until the aliens come down from the stars and brainwash the population that it's OK to read comics...

Correlation of Joss Whedon fans and comic fans...  and let's not forget they all cry just as much as well...

Joe Kubert can't move comics because he's not current with today's fans and he's not working on something that's morally ambiguous.  His artwork will look old-fashioned to current fans buying now who'd rather spend more time looking for all the Greg Land swipes that are out there and then wanting to make the "moral" argument that Land isn't creating "art."

[DGoodhart]

Just finished the episode, yet another job well done boys, and Chris should never, ever look for a new microphone... right now, it would just be wrong if the show didn't have the quack...

And kudos to KY for another very funny bit...

[Julian Lytle]

I'm on the fence about comics being storyboards, i'm on the is and ain't. And my view is clearly technical. You don't go about doing a storyboard the same way you go about a page. With a page you design it, plan of the flow and direction and how the negative space affects the whole page. But with a storyboard, you have a set shape to work in and a set flow. Certain ways you show movement and pacing. But I do think that a storyboard can be done as a comic, pick up the Art of The Matrix, it worked there very well. Also in my opinion some things the can't be done as they say I feel can be done in animation, not every comic has to live action, animation is a fine way to do a film.

[i_am_scifi]

Fear not, Neseman, for I too have never ordered or read Previews to choose my books!  Le gasp!

I mostly just use the web o pick and choose, since that gives me the bulk of my reading material easily enough.

[EdHoughton]

Couldnt agree more about not getting Previews.

I dont buy it for the same reason I dont like long movie adverts - it ruins the surprise.

E.

[Equinox]

I used to pick up Previews through DCBS, but ended up cutting it because it never was a "top of the stack" book for me.  Maybe if they change up the creative team, I might consider picking it up again, but I'd much rather wait for the collected editions instead. 


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[Jay Tomio]

I was kinda feeling Vince on the all Final Crisis episode

[VinceB]

Was anyone else left hanging when there was not one utterance of "WONDERFULK!" during the Planet Hulk segment?  Vince must truly hate Marvel to let that one slip by now... 

Hate is much too strong a word, my brother. I could never hate comics of any kind.

Marcos Martin on Amazing? Now, that shit is WONDERFULK!

The Dark Tower books? WONDERFULK!

The condition of the Secret Invasion-fueled Marvel U? Not so WONDERFULK!

Not hatin'. Just not lovin'.

But you already knew that, ya pot-stirrin' bastard. Shame. 

[VinceB]

I was kinda feeling Vince on the all Final Crisis episode

Is that what that was? 

Gotta admit, I kinda liked it. 

[Matt Kramer]

The only reason I get Previews is because it's free from my LCS.  I'd never pay money for a catalog.

[Scott C.]

Is that what that was? 

Gotta admit, I kinda liked it. 

What's not to like?  It's got a guy on the first page wearing a Killing Joke shirt.  It's got Sonny Sumo and Shilo  Norman teaming up.  It's got Terrible Turpin going through some changes, a funeral on Mars, an autopsy on a god, bad Lanterns, and Batman's going to have something bad happen to him.  It's all good.

And I love the line from the funeral "We'll all miss him.  And Pray for a resurrection."  What a beautiful sendoff.

[Steeven]

It sounded like someone was clipping toenails at one point. 

That would have been me . . . I was listening in live.  Of course, I could only hear one side of the conversation as I was sitting just under David's open window . . . and clipping my toenails.