11 O'Clock Comics Episode 67

[Farrell]

Karma to King DAP for the Calvin and Hobbes and Far Side love. My dad was a physics teacher so he loved Far Side. I need to read those again. I'm sure there are quite a few I didn't get as a kid that I'd understand now.


The only newspaper strips worth reading these days are Get Fuzzy and Pearls Before Swine

Exactly the same two strips that I like these days. 

Speaking of not getting Far Side:  in my late teens, one of my jobs was in a t-shirt shop downtown, and we sold Far Side shirts.  Naturally, the ones they printed on shirts were some of the most classic, funniest strips, and I thought 99% of them were hilarious.  One of the strangest things I've ever seen was the day that a mother and her son went from one Far side shirt to another, held it up, read it, looked at each other in bewilderment, and continued on.  Not the slightest of cracked smiles or chuckles through the entire 20-25 shirts.  It was like watching aliens try to understand humanity.

[Dave A]

Exactly the same two strips that I like these days. 

Speaking of not getting Far Side:  in my late teens, one of my jobs was in a t-shirt shop downtown, and we sold Far Side shirts.  Naturally, the ones they printed on shirts were some of the most classic, funniest strips, and I thought 99% of them were hilarious.  One of the strangest things I've ever seen was the day that a mother and her son went from one Far side shirt to another, held it up, read it, looked at each other in bewilderment, and continued on.  Not the slightest of cracked smiles or chuckles through the entire 20-25 shirts.  It was like watching aliens try to understand humanity.

That scene sounds like a pretty awesome Far Side strip. 

[Farrell]

Where do the tears of a clown fall in all of this?   

He doesn't look sad.  He looks like he's resigned to murdering you in your sleep.

[Farrell]

Edit: We should probably all be crying alot more.

I cry every time I get to the end of an 11 O'Clock episode.

[Farrell]

That scene sounds like a pretty awesome Far Side strip. 

You know what?  You're right. 

Except they would be cows.

[Dave A]

He doesn't look sad.  He looks like he's resigned to murdering you in your sleep.

Yeah, well, like they say, dying is easy, comedy is hard.

Some clowns probably do want to take the easy way out....

[VinceB]

I cry every time I get to the end of an 11 O'Clock episode.

Because you know there weel be MORE tor-TOUR een your FEW-TURE! We weel NEVAIR go a-WHEY!

[New Mutant]

That is because you are in denial about your life.

 

 
SO not.
Anymore, anyway.  It's just nunna ev'body's biz'ness anymore. 

Edit: We should probably all be crying alot more.

Take it away, buddy!  The floor's all yours.
"I did my best I did my best I did my be-eh-ehst... " (You'll need to play that above included YouTuber to get this one fully, or have once watched Dane Cook's Vicious Circle)

[Blazefire33]

This episode was KICKASS COOL

First off, I think the JSA split is a great idea. JSA has been a consistently great selling book with some very entertaining stories. Of course this is in part due to Geoff Johns, whose name only brought readers to the book. But i think that if you showed someone a picture of Alan Scott or Jay Garrick they would be able to recognize them. And someone who's never read JSA might not be interested in who Damage or Judomaster are, but i bet if you showed some guy Power Girl they would hop on it in a second (no pun intended) Plus now if you liked the old school but not the young heroes, or even the other way around, you'll now have a book for your tastes.

Second thing, Vince wasn't the only one to beat David to an announcement

And finally, Matt Burden FTW

[JimN]

Great episode, guys! I liked the comic strip talk, especially Vince bringing up old greats like Krazy Kat (a work of pure genius), Little Nemo (ditto) and Alley Oop.

Jim

[wordballoon]

Hi guys, intersting show, but to set a couple of facts straight...

Marvelman was created in the 1950's, when the british distributor of capt marvel/shazam stories had to come up with a feature idea that could replace the very popular shazam stuff, because Fawcett stopped printing Marvel Family stories (due to the DC law suit) . Mick Anglo's Marvelman, Young Marvelman and Kid Marvelman was the solution.

Chuck Austen's birth name was Beckum, but he changed it after a family disagreement.

I'm with Chris again, in the idea that it's too easy to put down Chuck.

Alan Moore picked Chuck himself to draw MM at the infamous 1986 SDCC (Moore's first and only SDCC appearence) . Like it or not, Chuck's work on the MM series makes him part of the story and legend of the Warrior/Eclipse MM run.

Chris, the reason why new stories of MM would be great is the likelyhood that Neil gaiman would come back to tell more stories. He and Buckingham's "silver age" arc about Young MM  had only just begun, and they had the third part of the story all mapped out. I don't think it would take much to get the Silver age and Dark age arcs done. It's likely they could re-write and draw around the one issue of the Silver age that was released.

Also JQ "telegraphed" in interviews that Friday at SDCC that Marvel was in talks with all other parties that have claims to the 80's MM material.

Vince, Did Marvel expressly say MM would be in the Marvel Univere, or did you just mean that in genral terms?

I hope they keep the hero in his own world, because IMO it would only diminish the character to have him side by side with the 616 folk.

MM had reached an unstoppable god-like level of power in the Moore and Gaiman stories. I'd rather not see him diminished by a character like Thor, or The Eternals. I think it's more interesting to see how the MM verse humans have to contend with their new unstoppable Lord and Master, without leaning on the FF, Avengers, Inhumans, or X-Men to save them.

[VinceB]

Vince, Did Marvel expressly say MM would be in the Marvel Univere, or did you just mean that in genral terms?

From the CBR article detailing the announcement, it sure sounded like the plan was twofold: reprint the old stuff and integrate MM into the 616. Makes sense, in a way, to throw the character into an Avengers-driven scenario and then point all those new to the character in the direction of snazzy new reprint collections.

Lemme go reread the article... 

[VinceB]

"Marvelman belongs to Marvel," said Quesada, saying that the company purchased the character from creator Mick Anglo – a process that started in 2007 thanks to word from Neil Gaiman. "Mick is 94 years old, and I talked to him on Wednesday for an hour and a half," said Buckley noting that Marvel had discusses plans for the character and its stories with Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, Alan Davis and Mark Buckingham, who was in the audience.

"I'm excited to see this character not just at Marvel, but the continued adventures of Marvelman," said Quesada.

CBR

Doesn't answer John's question, but does hint at new adventures. Still searching for the damn article...

[Wood]

Hi guys, intersting show, but to set a couple of facts straight...

Marvelman was created in the 1950's, when the british distributor of capt marvel/shazam stories had to come up with a feature idea that could replace the very popular shazam stuff, because Fawcett stopped printing Marvel Family stories (due to the DC law suit) . Mick Anglo's Marvelman, Young Marvelman and Kid Marvelman was the solution.

Chuck Austen's birth name was Beckum, but he changed it after a family disagreement.

I'm with Chris again, in the idea that it's too easy to put down Chuck.

Alan Moore picked Chuck himself to draw MM at the infamous 1986 SDCC (Moore's first and only SDCC appearence) . Like it or not, Chuck's work on the MM series makes him part of the story and legend of the Warrior/Eclipse MM run.

Chris, the reason why new stories of MM would be great is the likelyhood that Neil gaiman would come back to tell more stories. He and Buckingham's "silver age" arc about Young MM  had only just begun, and they had the third part of the story all mapped out. I don't think it would take much to get the Silver age and Dark age arcs done. It's likely they could re-write and draw around the one issue of the Silver age that was released.

Also JQ "telegraphed" in interviews that Friday at SDCC that Marvel was in talks with all other parties that have claims to the 80's MM material.

Vince, Did Marvel expressly say MM would be in the Marvel Univere, or did you just mean that in genral terms?

I hope they keep the hero in his own world, because IMO it would only diminish the character to have him side by side with the 616 folk.

MM had reached an unstoppable god-like level of power in the Moore and Gaiman stories. I'd rather not see him diminished by a character like Thor, or The Eternals. I think it's more interesting to see how the MM verse humans have to contend with their new unstoppable Lord and Master, without leaning on the FF, Avengers, Inhumans, or X-Men to save them.

John, thanks for listening and contributing. 

[Jo-El]

David's credibility just went up like 1000%, for his quick response that Bloom County is the best newspaper strip ever.  I cannot WAIT until October for the complete BC to be re-released.  (and I already have every collection that has been released to date).

[Farrell]

Chris, the reason why new stories of MM would be great is the likelyhood that Neil gaiman would come back to tell more stories.

And on his blog, he does express interest in doing so.

[Blazefire33]

I think James Robinson summed up my feelings on SDCC on his twitter:

• Entertainment Weekly pissed me off. Three pages on Comic-Con and not one mention of comics. It's all films and TV.
  about 4 hours ago from web
• Gotta say it's certainly a trend. Even in the Fallon sketch with Geoff and Dan, all Favreau had to say about comics was they made good --
• -- Source material for films. Sure they do. And Iron Man was amazing. But comics are more than that. It's a shame that in all this --
• -- The beauty of comics as a medium is getting lost.
• Or more truthfully no one gives a shit.

[Jim B.]

I'm with Chris again, in the idea that it's too easy to put down Chuck.

Quoted to pimp Siuntres's Wordballoon interview with Austen.  I listened mainly to hear his perspective on Marvelman, but in the end, I found Austen funny, engaging, and self-effacing.  A solid interview by John; it's a year or two old, but I'm sure it's archived on the Wordballoon site -- seek it out.

And...please, please, PLEASE Joe Q:  Just let Gaiman (and Buckingham, Lord willing) finish the Silver and Dark Age arcs, and keep Miracle/ Marvelman the Hell out of the Marvel Universe.  I'm begging here....   

Another fine show, gentlemen.  I believe I shall listen again. 

[Wraithmaker]

Up to Vince B's objection to the JSA 2nd series...

Vince, I think they're going to play off of the tension that  Johns created in Thy Kingdom Come... it looks like the 2nd book will be more of the proactive JSAers, the younger ones. If you remember Thy Kingdom Come, there was the Pro and Anti-Gog split between the JSA team.

[VinceB]

Up to Vince B's objection to the JSA 2nd series...

Not an objection (DC could publish 10 monthly JSA titles for all I care...) but a verbal scratching of my pointed, bald head.

Hey, if it sells, more power to them.