11 O'Clock Comics Episode 87

[steve bryant]

Larry Young has said that AiT/Planet Lar is a nod to (and rhymes with) the B52's Planet Claire (and a riff on the shortened version of his name, pronounced "Lare").

[Dave A]

Those Buenaventura images look AMAZING to me (and Vince's descriptions on the episode sounded even more intriguing). I really want everything on their site!

I hope I remember that in 3-4 months when I actually have money for trying out new stuff again.  

Did I hear right that this company doesn't distribute through Diamond or DCBS? Or did I misunderstand something? I buy so much stuff, I need reminders for this kinda thing... out of sight, out of mind.  If they list on DCBS, though, I'll definitely check for new Buenaventura product every month.  

[Spooky]

Actually, I think it was this (and Spooky would agree):

Here's a link to several great choices.

http://doctor-k100.blogspot.com/2009/02/final-crisis-post-mortem-interlude-song.html

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[Matt H.O.W.L.]

Actually, I think it was this (and Spooky would agree):

If that's what it was, then Darkseid and I have similar tastes and distastes. 

[Julian Lytle]

Just because I said it weird doesn't mean bad. They are weird or different or counter.

AND YES COT DAMMIT SUPERMAN T-PAINED DARKSEID. Or he Freddie Mercuried him. Or Sinatra'd him. Or Pulled out a Prince jam. Or kicked a Hot 16 bars. Or sang some KING OF POP!

I was just saying is that Vince talks about some weird comics and that is interesting.

[Dave A]

Oh. Okay. 

From now on, whenever I describe Final Crisis to anyone, it's always going to end with the line: "And then Superman RickRoll'd Darkseid." 

[Matt H.O.W.L.]

Just because I said it weird doesn't mean bad. They are weird or different or counter.

I didn't take it that way. I was making the point that "weird" is relative, I guess. 

[David]

Thread starter's been updated with links to information about Mantlo benefit projects.

[clever_username]

Just because I said it weird doesn't mean bad. They are weird or different or counter.

AND YES COT DAMMIT SUPERMAN T-PAINED DARKSEID. Or he Freddie Mercuried him. Or Sinatra'd him. Or Pulled out a Prince jam. Or kicked a Hot 16 bars. Or sang some KING OF POP!

I was just saying is that Vince talks about some weird comics and that is interesting.

Personally I think Supes kicked it old school and welcomed Darkseid to the Terrordome.

[darrell]

I read Micheal Oemings Ares:God of War mini that pretty much set up the characters current status quo and it was such a fun and I think well written story. I was already reading Powers so I was in luv with his writing but then I read Omega flight and It felt like a totally different writer and I dont understand why.

[darrell]

Just because I said it weird doesn't mean bad. They are weird or different or counter.

AND YES COT DAMMIT SUPERMAN T-PAINED DARKSEID. Or he Freddie Mercuried him. Or Sinatra'd him. Or Pulled out a Prince jam. Or kicked a Hot 16 bars. Or sang some KING OF POP!

I was just saying is that Vince talks about some weird comics and that is interesting.

I dont think i want to read about someone vomiting on a keyboard. So of that is just to weird for me.

[Spooky]

If that's what it was, then Darkseid and I have similar tastes and distastes. 

Look, now you just messing with me. Don't do it or I become FIERCE.

I like to think, that Supes offed 'Seid with some House of Pain or he kicked it conscious with Black Sheep, historians aren't quite sure what to think from his gestures.

[darrell]

James Hudson did come back in Alpha Flight around issue 100 i think. He was brought back by Aliens but they didnt know how to seperate part of the cybernetic suit from his body and he became part cyborg.

[David]

James Hudson did come back in Alpha Flight around issue 100 i think. He was brought back by Aliens but they didnt know how to seperate part of the cybernetic suit from his body and he became part cyborg.

Nah, that's Hank Henshaw.  Yeah, that's it...

[steve bryant]

Here's some antiquated dialog that you can't get away with today...     

You jerk! I oughtta shove some lava down your throat!

With that kind of power, why don't you send that bug guy back where it came from?

What in the world does a nutty chick like you want with Adam?

Speaking of attraction, I bet you're anxious to get back to the others. You'll knock the socks off that guy you dig.
(thought balloon): Man, there's no way Luna would ever go for me now...

Sorry, Daddy-O. I'm just feeling a touch distracted right now!

The author? Eisner Award-winning creator Mike Allred, who's managed to find an audience for nearly two decades.

I agree that writing has become more sophisticated. However, there will always be a place for this kind of fun dialog in comics.

[Farrell]

Did I hear right that this company doesn't distribute through Diamond or DCBS? Or did I misunderstand something? I buy so much stuff, I need reminders for this kinda thing... out of sight, out of mind.  If they list on DCBS, though, I'll definitely check for new Buenaventura product every month.  

They listed these three books as a combo pack on DCBS: "BP Comic Pack #1" or similar.  It was a good deal I couldn't pass up. 

[darrell]

Nah, that's Hank Henshaw.  Yeah, that's it...

[darrell]

Nah, that's Hank Henshaw.  Yeah, that's it...

Although seemingly killed when his battle-suit explodes due to the strain of energizing a multiple teleportation matrix system (thanks to Jaxon), he is in fact transported to Jupiter's moon, Ganymede. There he meets an alien race known as the Qwrlln. In their attempts to heal Hudson, the Qwrlln integrate his battle suit into his body, fusing it to his biological and nervous systems. (This is originally posed as a ruse by Delphine Courtney to confuse and deceive Heather Hudson and the surviving members of Alpha Flight.)

[Chris]

Here's some antiquated dialog that you can't get away with today...     

The author? Eisner Award-winning creator Mike Allred, who's managed to find an audience for nearly two decades.

I agree that writing has become more sophisticated. However, there will always be a place for this kind of fun dialog in comics.

True enough Steve, but I think even Allred would agree that it's done very tongue in cheek, and as an homage to a time in comics long past.

[Dave A]

On the classic vs. modern standards discussion... this is something I argue about all the time, not just for comics but for movies, music, anything. I realize that no one was trying to say modern = better, but I do think there's a misconception in general when it comes to any art medium that time and technology automatically equals progress... that because something that came out in the '40s or whenever wouldn't fly in the modern market, that means it's less sophisticated.

I like to take the reverse angle and ask: how much traction do you think your average modern film or comic would get in the '40s, '50s or '60s?

I understand the point Chris and Wood are making, that Stan Lee, writing the way that Stan Lee wrote in the 1960s, would not achieve nearly the level of success he did then in the modern market. But, on the flip side, would Brian Bendis or Geoff Johns, writing the way that Bendis and Johns write in the modern era, be able to sell comics in the '60s? If not, would that make those audiences less sophisticated as human beings appreciating art? Has the human ability to appreciate art evolved somehow over the past 50 years? (This might be a tougher argument to make with comics vs. movies, since modern and '60s comics were produced for different target age groups.)

So much of art is the artist expressing himself within the context of the time in which he lives. To me, it's not more fair to say that modern sensibilities are more sophisticated than older sensibilities than it would be to say that David Mamet writes more sophisticated plays than William Shakespeare, or that the Beatles wrote more sophisticated music than Mozart. Each artist is of his era.

(This isn't me attacking anyone's opinion, by the way, just putting my own out there)