Mark Millar: Sexist and Racist?

[DarkKnightJared]

One thing that I found REALLY off about the article was on Hit-Girl.

The author says that her epilogue of retiring from the costuming and "doing things little girls should do" is saying that women shouldn't be doing heroics--I took it as more eight-ten year-olds shouldn't be doing heroics, and she was basically brain-washed and drugged-up by her father to do them.

And nothing really comes to mind that Millar's done that looked especially rac--

And things like "African-American Hulk" doesn't help his case people...

...The fuck?
 

[Nojfotra (Jonathan D. Gordon)]

And nothing really comes to mind that Millar's done that looked especially rac--

...The fuck?
 

I just peed myself laughing

[Former Poet Laureate]

Talk about climbing on the politically correct high-horse and prancing around!  As always, if you don't like a creator's work, if you find it offensive and/or not satisfying to you...don't buy it. The market gives you a pretty good mechanism to reject that which you disapprove of and that which you accept. 

[deadcowaroma]

Talk about climbing on the politically correct high-horse and prancing around!  As always, if you don't like a creator's work, if you find it offensive and/or not satisfying to you...don't buy it. The market gives you a pretty good mechanism to reject that which you disapprove of and that which you accept. 

Yea, but isn't the point of writing an article to be provoking? I understand if the common person had a problem with the writing, but the whole point of the article is to raise the issue.

[uncommoner]

Ok, fair enough!     I've edited my original comment...because Kat Rocha's column is still worth reading in regards to this larger topic!   

[Matt H.O.W.L.]

Ok, fair enough!     I've edited my original comment...because Kat Rocha's column is still worth reading in regards to this larger topic!   

I don't think that's what Spooky was whistling about. I believe it was a reference to another discussion here about gender and online identities.

[Sal!]

I think someone should tell Jane Goldman, the screenwriter of the Kick-Ass film that she is not presenting herself in a proper manner during the movie's screening. There are young women all over the world looking up to her as a strong role-model in the world of film and this is unacceptable.



More here: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/03/23/jane-goldman-knows-what-boys-like/

[clever_username]

Maybe American newspapers wouldn't be a dying medium if they were more like British newspapers.

 

[Dave A]

Yea, but isn't the point of writing an article to be provoking? I understand if the common person had a problem with the writing, but the whole point of the article is to raise the issue.

Yeah, but dude... the issue's been raised. A LOT. It seems like we get an article like this about every 3 months, calling out some moment or creator for "not representin'!" The last one that comes to immediate memory was Jen Van Meter's story about Power Girl, where Cyclone defends her right to have big jugs or whatever that was all about... It's tiring. At some point, it just becomes people who are so far up their own asses they see everything through the lens of their own world view. Yet another "Here's the most recent example of why all comics are blah blah blah..." article... and, rather than asking an important question that makes people think and question, it just feels like obnoxious badgering anymore. I mean, give it a rest, already.

Ok, fair enough!     I've edited my original comment...because Kat Rocha's column is still worth reading in regards to this larger topic!   

Aww, but your original comment was great! Spooky's referencing (I think, you never know with that guy) an afternoon when he got bored and pretended to "come out" to the forum as a girl who'd been hiding her identity to keep from being treated differently. Because that's the kind of loony tunes he is. 

[Matt H.O.W.L.]

Aww, but your original comment was great!

Yeah! We demand that you rstore your original comment or we're going brand you a sexist and browbeat you into a paste. 

[deadcowaroma]

Yeah, but dude... the issue's been raised. A LOT. It seems like we get an article like this about every 3 months, calling out some moment or creator for "not representin'!" The last one that comes to immediate memory was Jen Van Meter's story about Power Girl, where Cyclone defends her right to have big jugs or whatever that was all about... It's tiring. At some point, it just becomes people who are so far up their own asses they see everything through the lens of their own world view. Yet another "Here's the most recent example of why all comics are blah blah blah..." article... and, rather than asking an important question that makes people think and question, it just feels like obnoxious badgering anymore. I mean, give it a rest, already.

Again, I think it's up to the people who are experiencing the racism or sexism (whether it's legitimate or not) to determine whether the topic has been exausted.

[Dave A]

Again, I think it's up to the people who are experiencing the racism or sexism (whether it's legitimate or not) to determine whether the topic has been exausted.

That's my point though... for this lady and people like her, the topic will NEVER be exhausted. If you really want to see something, you'll see it. And I say, leave that dead horse alone, or I'm callin' the cops!

[JimN]

Yeah, but dude... the issue's been raised. A LOT. It seems like we get an article like this about every 3 months, calling out some moment or creator for "not representin'!" The last one that comes to immediate memory was Jen Van Meter's story about Power Girl, where Cyclone defends her right to have big jugs or whatever that was all about... It's tiring. At some point, it just becomes people who are so far up their own asses they see everything through the lens of their own world view.

  Karma, Dave...

Jim

[Spooky]

Aww, but your original comment was great! Spooky's referencing (I think, you never know with the entity) an afternoon when the entity got bored and pretended to "come out" to the forum as a girl who'd been hiding her identity to keep from being treated differently. Because that's the kind of loony tunes the entity is.  

Woah! I did that for my one and only true love, Dough, who I miss dearly by the way, not just for fun.

[costak]

Maybe it's no surprise, but I'm kinda with her. It's the main thing that turns me off of Mark Millar's writing. It's too fanboyish. Her article seems to be timed well too. Hearing about some of the books from the past week, it seems that "killing a woman character as a plot device" was a central theme.

Me too.  I'm not saying "OH LAWDY VIOLENCE IN COMICS IS ALWAYS BAD" but it really does seem to me that he reaches for the ridiculous, points in action and writing that aren't so much shocking because they're things that are pushing the line of writing;

They're pushing the line in terms of ridiculousness. 

Like, the whole idea of NEMESIS?  Seriously?  Oh I get it, he saw "The Dark Knight" in theaters and decided he wants to do his own version because he didn't think of it as a Batman idea first.  Didn't he just announce also wanting to do a new project that is his version of "District 9" (something else successful and a fanboy favorite that he didn't work on or be associated with)?

I just...ugh...I'm sorry, that totally was not what I intended to write about.  And for the record, just because a reaction to someone's work appears too "PC" or whatever...doesn't mean they're wrong.

[clever_username]

At some point, it just becomes people who are so far up their own asses they see everything through the lens of their own world view.

And it's a stinky, brown lens, too. 

[lugaru]

That's my point though... for this lady and people like her, the topic will NEVER be exhausted. If you really want to see something, you'll see it. And I say, leave that dead horse alone, or I'm callin' the cops!

Honstly as somebody on the further edge of american society (me and my cople are latin, I'm straight but I work at a company where 80% of people are gay) I agree that lots of subjects are not dead becase some dude claims we are over it. But at the same time it is true that some people make a hobby out of pretending to be offended. See PC liberals on the left and most conservatives on the right. That is annoying and there is a layer of that in this article. Still the reason comics KICK ASS Is that creators mostly get away with whatever ideas (good or bad) they have. You can buy Archie, Bondage Fairies, Cerebus, Battle pope, Walking Dead and Thor at the same shop. I do suggest censuing Archie though, it promotes polygamy.

[Swany]

Honstly as somebody on the further edge of american society (me and my cople are latin, I'm straight but I work at a company where 80% of people are gay) I agree that lots of subjects are not dead becase some dude claims we are over it. But at the same time it is true that some people make a hobby out of pretending to be offended. See PC liberals on the left and most conservatives on the right. That is annoying and there is a layer of that in this article. Still the reason comics KICK ASS Is that creators mostly get away with whatever ideas (good or bad) they have. You can buy Archie, Bondage Fairies, Cerebus, Battle pope, Walking Dead and Thor at the same shop. I do suggest censuing Archie though, it promotes polygamy.

preach it brother!!!

 a quick example of this, here in my home town a local radio station put up billboards with phrases like urban-esque with a pic of keith urban, mcGraw-some pic of tim mcGraw etc... well guess what, one had to be taken down because a lesbian rights activist made a stink. The billboard in question  strait-er with a pic of george strait. All i can think is way to much free time, way to fight the good fight.

[costak]

Can we please stop saying "PC liberal" if we're not gonna be equally as stupid when describing the socially conservative of the US?  After all, I feel if I call them "dickless conservative" in response to "PC liberal", you should too.

Jesus, why the fuck did I get into this conversation...

[JackandCoke]

I figured Millar's work pretty much spoke for itself, in regards to the racially and sexually insensitive stuff you find in some of it. Obviously not malicious on his part, probably just coming from a position of ignorance.

But as has been pointed out, this isn't a problem unique to Millar's work, or comics in general.