11 O'Clock Comics Episode 110

[Ray Mescallado]

I didn't even realize the candy machine was a metaphor in LOST until Vince mentioned it, but it makes perfect sense!

So what kind of candybar was each LOSTie?
Jack is Mister Goodbar
Sawyer is Snickers
Kate is a Kit Kat (okay, lame of me - maybe Mounds? Hers are lovely, after all)
Claire is an Almond Joy ("Sometimes you feel like a nut...")
Hurley is a Chunky
Ben is a pack of Whoppers (i.e., huge lies)
Dr Arzt was Butterfingers
Smokie was a Special Dark

I'll stop there before I embarrass myself further.

[Paul]

THANK YOU, GUYS, for an awesome, back-to-basics episode. It was like comfort food for my ears and brain.

Thanks to Vince & Wood for the Lost talk. I am finding that the finale (if not the whole series) was a Rorschach test for people's personality types. I love it more and more as I move away from the ending/series. The philosophy and message of the end were heartbreaking and comforting, at once. Would I have liked every little glyph translated and explained away? Part of me would, but I think I'm happier in the end with it being about people, the journey, and finding your path, and making/finding your peace. It's becoming one of my favorite series. Namaste, New Recruits!

Exactly my feeling on it.  The more I think about it, and the more it makes me dig deep the more I love it, and I loved it from the start!

[Paul]

I went from Agnosticism to Atheism mainly because of Douglas Adams. He said something along the lines of it being one of the most important decisions a person can make, so it's worth taking the time and thinking about it and deciding one way or the other.  So I did, and for me, the universe makes more sense without a God in it than with one.  But once you get all the way back to the big bang it gets kinda hairy, nothingness? infinitely small piece of matter appearing out of said nothingness? That's kinda hard for me to wrap my brain around, so even my atheism is sort of based on a kind of faith

I also find a lot of peace in existentialism and other philosophies that feel that life has no inherent meaning (Wood brought up Nihilism).  I know a lot of people find that depressing, and go the "Well then what's the point route" but I always took that as meaning "That's awesome, so I can give my life whatever meaning I want." I'd much rather figure out what meaning I give my life myself (whatever that may be) than have meaning forced on me from an external source.

It's interesting.  A lot of my reason for moving from agnosticism to atheism was tied into that very Douglas Adams quote, though a real life event is what finally tipped the balance a couple of years back.  These views are very familiar to me, especially when you talk about the beginnings of things.

We should discuss over a frosty beer at Fan Expo!

[Paul]

thank you for the lost talk. ive never smiled so much during a television show then i have during episodes of lost.
me and my fiance are starting season 5 now. the constant episode is the greatest episode of tv ive ever seen. its always been more of a great Veritgo series to me than a tv show. scifi ideas thinly vailed under the setting of an island. how many great character moments that made me weep

and it almost didnt happen.... read

Fantastic book, and a must read for anybody interested in the business side of TV.

[Matt H.O.W.L.]

I didn't even realize the candy machine was a metaphor in LOST until Vince mentioned it, but it makes perfect sense!

I didn't either. I'm thinking I need to fire up the old Hulu machine and watch the last one again...maybe the whole season. I remember thinking that Jack was going to

be the Desmond of the FSW because of some subtle nuances in his FSW episode earlier in the season. I could tell that he knew something was 'wrong' with that reality. I'd like to see what tipped me off, because I'm sure there are oodles of other metaphors and stuff like that.

[Swany]

I know it might seem like a pain in the ass but can anyone talking Lost please do us people who are a few episodes behind a favour & put spoiler tags around it no matter how trivial the post may seem.
Thanks

EDIT:
 this post was not aimed at anyone in particular, i just don't wanna find out some nugget on here by accident. I have done a hell of a good job on twitter & rest of the interweb to keep myself in the dark, i dont wanna slip up now.

[Ryan 'gobo' C.]

We should discuss over a frosty beer at Fan Expo!

Definitely!

[Dotanuki]

Point me to the Adams stuff & I'll check it out!   My agnosticism is, I think, less a decision about God and more about "empirical knowledge" and my lack of it when it comes to claims of Absolute Reality.

I can stub my toe and say that it hurts...the pain is not an "illusion" to me. But, then again, I had to learn what pain is from other people, who learned from other people, on and on back into...what? That is what agnosticism  means to me: asking "what?" about any- and everything I come across. For me to call myself Atheist I would have to arrive at a conclusion that "makes no sense". I don't feel like I can make claims of proof about the Tooth Fairy, Kali, Shiva, God, Santa Claus, Paul Bunyan or any of the rest. I can arrive at the conclusion that the existence of such things seems improbable to the extreme...and yet, I am arriving at these conclusions within, as another 11-O'Clock Comics forum poster once wrote, in the perfect world between my ears. This kind of thread makes me want to read Descartes again...

As for what took me away from belief in anything like a benevolent god: that would be my mother's sickness and death from cancer in the late-'80s. It was frustrating and tragic to watch her pray to a god to live long enough to see my sister and I graduate from high school, and then just to see me graduate from high school, and then to resign herself to death. I didn't talk to her much about this stuff towards the end but I get the feeling that she passed on as the Roman Catholic she had been when I knew her (up through my 15th birthday). The "problem of evil" is what this boils down to, more or less. I hope that she found whatever comfort she needed in the end. As for my cosmology: it changes from week to week. I think we're all just the innards of supernovae...I don't have first-hand proof of that, though. 

[Gabe Infinity Watch]

I can't wait to get home from work so that I can pop a few beers and listen. Then When I'm a littl too buzzed, I'll end up ordering a bunch of stuff that Vince has "sold" me on.

[JoeyN]

Vince I have been a member of the Battlestar Sciatica a few times in the last few months. I feel your pain, literally.

[Julian Lytle]

Hey guys, it was good to hear all the Pluto talk on the show. It's weird because it's kinda of easy to spoil yourself on how the story basically ends if you've ever seen or read the old story or played a astro boy video game. Yes Urasaw has assistants. At one point he was doing 20th century boys and Pluto at the same time. Below in the spoiler I put in this japanese show about Urasawa where you see some of his process and day to day. note there is some spoilers to stuff I think in this. I watched this after I finished both series.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/tCF9dliGIqA&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/tCF9dliGIqA&rel=1</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/6x2TjrKlYS0&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/6x2TjrKlYS0&rel=1</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/8N-TQhDPtZg&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/8N-TQhDPtZg&rel=1</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/uehPgW_UuV0&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/uehPgW_UuV0&rel=1</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/XoX8y5yzQzM&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/XoX8y5yzQzM&rel=1</a>

[Paul]

I can't wait to get home from work so that I can pop a few beers and listen. Then When I'm a littl too buzzed, I'll end up ordering a bunch of stuff that Vince has "sold" me on.

Or, as I call it, "Thursday"

[deadcowaroma]

You guys are lucky you talked about Pluto, cause it takes a book that great to counter Lost talk
 

[T-Three6ty]

oh no you got relgion ( or lack of ) in my comics talk.

[Steve Raker]

I have an issue or two of the Zero Squad from back in the day.....good stuff, one of their better titles! Thanks for the nostolgic flashback!

[Wood]

Karma Julian for those links. Good lookin out son!

[Julian Lytle]

Karma Julian for those links. Good lookin out son!

I try.
swole mode engaged!!

[Julian Lytle]

By the way summit city con sounds awesome. I f I can afford I'd love to make next year's.

[GreenSkeletonII]

Obviously you're right, and obviously I knew that. I was so excited about the topic I mixed metaphors between Astro Boy and Akira. I'm mortified at that realizing it after the fact. 

Yeah, but now I really want to read Pluto. 

[Ericzone]

awesome show again guys! feel better Chris!