Marvel Noise Episode 122

[Steve Raker]

"I really like a good well-drawn anatomical heroic figure."  [Best quote from the episode, hee, hee, hee].   

t's true...my favorite art over the years has been that featuring human musculature and form, both male and female, from pop art to classic illustrators such as DiVinci.  I've taken lots of anatomy courses for my profession as a therapist, and done dissection in gross and neuro anatomy labs, which only made me appreciate the visual representation of musculature and how it's wired throughout the human form even more.  In high school, I was gearing towards going to college for art, considering anatomical art as a possibility....then I saw Frank Netter's work and realized it's all been done to perfection by a master painter already . In comics, Big John Buscema will always be my favorite artist (not for his storytelling) for his incredible anatomy, drawn 'heroic', just like he and Stan taught us in 'How to Draw Comics: The Marvel Way!".

.....Then there's the female form.....'sigh' ....adds a whole 'nother layer to appreciating the muscles of a human body!

[Rick Hansen]

Took me all day, but I got through this episode. Pat, David, Derek and everybody did a fantastic job, as usual. I like hearing more of David and Derek's opinions on things. It's like when David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson came back to the X-Files. The show went on without them for a while, but we knew what we were missing until their big return.

Steve and Adam, I can't express how impressed I am with your wealth of Marvel knowledge. The way you guys can organize, catalogue and present all this raw data is beyond me. Somehow, you turn it from simple facts and statistics into interesting dialogue. I could easily be jealous of this ability, which is not unlike the genius of The Leader, but I choose to simply be thankful you both use it for good, not for evil. Thank you both SO MUCH for doing this segment; it was extremely enjoyable. And Steve, the Crossroads stories of The Incredible Hulk will be coming up in Smash Tales, but at least 10 or 12 issues remain before we get to the ones you mentioned. That'll take me a couple months to get to, but we got lots of good stuff in the meantime. (Hint: his name rhymes with "Don, the Place Kite")

[LA Rabbit]

I've taken lots of anatomy courses for my profession as a therapist, and done dissection in gross and neuro anatomy labs, which only made me appreciate the visual representation of musculature and how it's wired throughout the human form even more. 

Very cool job Mr. Raker.  Last fall my niece got her Masters for Occupational Therapy and got married and is now plying her trade.  Anyone that helps people is cool in my book. 

Steve and Adam, I can't express how impressed I am with your wealth of Marvel knowledge. The way you guys can organize, catalogue and present all this raw data is beyond me. Somehow, you turn it from simple facts and statistics into interesting dialogue. I could easily be jealous of this ability, which is not unlike the genius of The Leader, but I choose to simply be thankful you both use it for good, not for evil. Thank you both SO MUCH for doing this segment; it was extremely enjoyable.

Double rec on that sh stuff, but I extending to the whole Marvel Noise crew.  If I ever feel a little big-headed or feel like I might have read a few comics, I just need to dial any of you and get a real education.  All bs aside, this has really increased my enjoyment of comics in general.  Big thanks from the West Coast.

                                           

[Adam Besenyodi]

Thanks for the kind words on the segment, everyone. It's no secret that Steve's a beautiful, professional bastard when it comes to podcast segments. You simply have to elevate your game if you're gonna sit with him.

It had been a while since we'd had a chance to chat, but it's always fun to be a part of the conversation!

[Steve Raker]

........Thank you both SO MUCH for doing this segment; it was extremely enjoyable. And Steve, the Crossroads stories of The Incredible Hulk will be coming up in Smash Tales, but at least 10 or 12 issues remain before we get to the ones you mentioned. That'll take me a couple months to get to, but we got lots of good stuff in the meantime. (Hint: his name rhymes with "Don, the Place Kite")

Cool, thanks for the kind words, Rick! If I could only turn down the 'ummm' meter, I'd be able to feel a little pride, which was supplied this week by getting this bit with Adam in the can...we've been talking about it for literally months (i think).

As for the wait until the interdimensional crossroads......it'll be worth it and hardly a 'wait' as you state...great! (heh).  As you know, this was during the period I started reading the Hulk on a monthly basis, so I'm really enjoying the tales you're spinning on several levels.

[Steve Raker]

So, you get through hours and hours of these yahoo's talking long-form, and then, just when you think it's over, you get Pat!  Your segment played like the easter egg scene after the credits in a Marvel Movie!

[Steve Raker]

Very cool job Mr. Raker.  Last fall my niece got her Masters for Occupational Therapy and got married and is now plying her trade.  Anyone that helps people is cool in my book. 

Good for her...OT has the potential to provide near-max flexibility for child-rearing, part-time or flexible hours, and you can work in so many areas (pediatrics, schools, hands, orthopedics/neuro rehab, mental health) that provide a variety of employment options.  Hope she enjoys it!

Double rec on that sh stuff, but I extending to the whole Marvel Noise crew.  If I ever feel a little big-headed or feel like I might have read a few comics, I just need to dial any of you and get a real education.  All bs aside, this has really increased my enjoyment of comics in general.  Big thanks from the West Coast.

So, when are you getting on skype and joining me for a bit? (although the west coast/east coast scheduling thing could admittedly be tough!)

[LA Rabbit]

Good for her...OT has the potential to provide near-max flexibility for child-rearing, part-time or flexible hours, and you can work in so many areas (pediatrics, schools, hands, orthopedics/neuro rehab, mental health) that provide a variety of employment options.  Hope she enjoys it!

She seems very happy with it so far.  She likes helping people and working with kids.  I am also very glad that she is in a field that still has jobs left in it.  She had a few employment offers and wants to live in a few different areas before finally settling back down.  I am sure you can tell I am proud of her.  I do not envy anybody finishing up college at this time.  While it wasn't easy for me, I think the current job market is really crap and I have much sympathy for anyone trying to make it out there.  Just keep on pushing.  I am pulling for you.

So, when are you getting on skype and joining me for a bit? (although the west coast/east coast scheduling thing could admittedly be tough!)

My mind is officially blown.  Unfortunately I do not how to "skype" and I am also afraid that I cannot hold a candle to any of the regulars.  You guys are the top division pros, and I would be lucky to make the farm team.  Still I busted three buttons off my shirt swelling up with pride at the offer.  That Mr. Raker would consider talking to me?  I must be doing something right. 

[Rick Hansen]

My mind is officially blown.  Unfortunately I do not how to "skype" and I am also afraid that I cannot hold a candle to any of the regulars.  You guys are the top division pros, and I would be lucky to make the farm team.  Still I busted three buttons off my shirt swelling up with pride at the offer.  That Mr. Raker would consider talking to me?  I must be doing something right. 

It's easy to feel that way, Rabbit, because Steve comes off as such a pro on the show. I was pretty nervous before I did the Marvel Cosmic discussion with he and Tom Morris. I worried that I was out of my league, which I was, but Steve is a great guy and very easy to talk with.  The only things I feel confident in discussing off the top of my head are Marvel Cosmic and the Incredible Hulk, and I couldn't hold a candle to those guys' ability to spout interesting tidbits and story elements. They are like machines. But I recommend giving it a go, because you will be amazed how much you can elevate your "game" when doing a segment with Mr. Raker and others. And Skype is really easy. I would know because I had never used it before doing the Marvel Cosmic segment, and my attempt went off without a hitch. You know how those guys from the farm team make it to the pros? They just step up to the plate and swing away! (and practice...lots of practice)

[New Mutant]

It's easy to feel that way, Rabbit, because Steve comes off as such a pro on the show. I was pretty nervous before I did the Marvel Cosmic discussion with he and Tom Morris. I worried that I was out of my league, which I was, but Steve is a great guy and very easy to talk with.  The only things I feel confident in discussing off the top of my head are Marvel Cosmic and the Incredible Hulk, and I couldn't hold a candle to those guys' ability to spout interesting tidbits and story elements. They are like machines. But I recommend giving it a go, because you will be amazed how much you can elevate your "game" when doing a segment with Mr. Raker and others. And Skype is really easy. I would know because I had never used it before doing the Marvel Cosmic segment, and my attempt went off without a hitch. You know how those guys from the farm team make it to the pros? They just step up to the plate and swing away! (and practice...lots of practice)

Look at you with the love!
What he says is 110% true.
And Rick Hansen is made of win.

[Steve Raker]

Look at you with the love!
What he says is 110% true.
And Rick Hansen is made of win.

 
He's good people.

[Greg Leclair (greg1ca)]

Great mammoth episode everyone. Remind me again why you guys are doing this for free? All of your efforts are appreciated.

Derek/ David: Even though I was at the opposite end of the spectrum on nearly all of your Avengers books reviews, I enjoyed listening to your perspectives. I think the Secret Avengers line up was actually pretty well thought out and exciting, given the character options Bru had to work with. I disliked New Avengers for many of the reasons you gentlemen liked it. It probably goes to show that having multiple Avengers "flavors" is a good idea.
- Kang is awesome. Classic Avengers foe. But wait.....is he their foe in Avengers #1? Wait and see.
- RE: Sharon Carter and Cap. They obviously belong together and when Perkins or Deodate draw her, she is smoking hot. As for your suggestion that Black Widow and Steve should fly off to Hawaii together....remember that Natasha is dating Steve's little buddy, Bucky. Some decorum please.
- I think my jaw hit the floor when I heard David say he didn't think Spiderman should be in the Avengers. I mean, I agree, but i didn't expect to hear that.

Adam/ Steve. Wow. Thanks for the walkthrough of Marvel's mini erm.....limited series from the 80s. I remember buying many of them. You helped me remember some of my faves. I actually picked up issues both of the Vision and Scarlett Witch runs. I opened them up while listening to your segment. What a blast form the past. And man, I miss the days of Wanda and the Vision together. Great trip down memory lane. I too will be on the lookout for some of those Hawkeye issues and some of the other limited series.

Great work as always. Thanks for your excellent efforts everyone.
Excelsior!
Greg L

[Steve Raker]

Just ordered the Hawkeye HC from DCBS with my order this month!

[AztecLos]

I enjoyed this episode between David and Derek giving their incites and then Steve talks about Marvel's limited runs. I subscribe to Marvel's online comics and I will look up these "limited runs". If there are more then just the covers listed then post them up but other wise good show guys. 

[Derek Coward]

As for your suggestion that Black Widow and Steve should fly off to Hawaii together....remember that Natasha is dating Steve's little buddy, Bucky. Some decorum please.

Bucky wore the man's underwear for months, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't mind. 

[Kilmarock]

 

Loved Steve and Adam's look back at Marvel's limited series of the early to mid 80s. I remember reading a number of em back when they first came out. Jack of Hearts was my favorite of the bunch. I've still got those four issues but I wish they would collect it.

I look forward to future looks back. 

[Steve Raker]

Loved Steve and Adam's look back at Marvel's limited series of the early to mid 80s. I remember reading a number of em back when they first came out. Jack of Hearts was my favorite of the bunch. I've still got those four issues but I wish they would collect it.

I look forward to future looks back. 

Cool! Thanks for listening and diggin' it!

[Adam Besenyodi]

Thanks to everyone who enjoyed our Marvel Limited Series chat!

[Adam Besenyodi]

Mark Gruenwald had this to say about Limited Series in his original Introduction to the 1988 Hawkeye tpb (and reprinted in the recent Premier HC)...

My philosophy of the Limited Series is that it should not only depict the single most important adventure of a hero's life, it should also leave the character permanently transformed by the experience.

I wish all Limited Series writers approached them in that way (and, for the record, I think he did accomplish it with Hawkeye).

[MichaelBailey]

Still making my way through the back issues.  Hope you guys don't mind kind of a mammoth reply because I actually jotted down some thoughts as I was listening.

David and Derek's Segment: I liked this quite a bit.  I enjoy David by himself and I have enjoyed the little bit of Derek I have heard and putting them together made for good podcasting.  I missed out on the whole re-re-relaunch of the Avengers and this gave me a good idea of what the books are like or at their first issues.   What I like most is that even when you guys were critical of something or were pointing out inconsistencies it never came off that you hated what you were reading or that you were complaining for the sake of complaining and I really appreciated that.

Steve and Adam's Segment: As always I liked Steve's end of the episode and it was cool hearing from Adam again.  I actually took notes this time so I would remember what random thoughts popped into my head as I was listening to the segment.

By the way; as long as the the conversation is entertaining the episode could be three hours long and I wouldn't care.  Then again I tend to have long episodes of the various podcasts I either host or co-host so maybe I am biased on that.  In any case take as much time as the subject deserves and you'll be fine.

- I have always liked that Marvel called their mini-series a limited series.  It is an all encompassing term and I find myself getting pickier and pickier about referring to Marvel minis as limiteds and short run series from DC as mini or maxi-series.

- I really need to read those two Hercules series.  They have sat in the "someday" pile for years.

- I recently read the Wolverine series for the first time as part of my current reading project.  I liked it quite a bit.  I was familiar with the story thanks to the four issue Wolverine Saga series but seeing it unfold with all of that awesome Frank Miller art (from the time period where I really like his work) was still something of a revelation.  I realize a lot of the themes explored in that series have been done to death but I put myself in the mind set that I had never read anything like this before and I had a grand old time...some might say a Yabba Dabba Doo time.

- As with the Wolverine limited the Magik series was part of the previously mentioned reading project and I was surprised by how much I liked it.  I was totally new to Magik's story and had not read her previous appearances in Uncanny X-Men so I felt a bit lost during the first issue but the series was so well written that by the end of it I really liked Magik as a character and am glad that New Mutants is on the back issue stack.

- Hawkeye is another series that is on the "must buy" list.

- I was unaware that Mark Bright did a few issues of the Falcon limited.  I love his work on Iron Man and Green Lantern.

- Kitty Pryde and Wolverine is currently on it's way thanks to an inexpensive eBay lot.  Looking forward to reading that as well.  I like the happenstance of buying that series and hearing about it several days later.

- I threw New Defenders on the reading pile because of the Beast/Iceman/Angel connection.  It's a fun little book and I liked Gargoyle right away, so once again I will be picking up that Gargoyle limited after hearing the discussion.

(The running theme here is that Steve's segments are bound to drive me to spend more money and buy more comics.  Luckily the wife is understanding.)

And that is pretty much it.  As always I enjoyed the episode and look forward to catching up on the rest.