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X-Men: Second Coming (spoilers)
« on: 11:01 AM | Friday, January 07, 2011 »

I haven't bought the X-Men since Matt Fraction introduced the Hellfire Cult (which bugged me because cults don't call themselves cults, they call themselves churches) and haven't paid much attention to that whole section of the Marvel Universes. Of course I recognize some of the storyline names, but only if they are featured prominently on Previews covers or forum thread titles. So when my friend Mike Myers sent me X-Men: Second Coming, I was sort of hesitant to waste a lot of time on it.

Wow, was I wrong. I haven't finished it, but this is some great stuff. I recognize most of the characters and the ones I don't are either explained nicely (Hope) or I don't really need to know because they are a type (Bastion is a bad guy, I don't really need to know more than that). Some of the artwork is really good (Dodson and Land come to mind) and some of it is breathtakingly beautiful (David A. Price says that it is Choi and Oback that I like and I take him at his word).

Anybody who doesn't like Cyclops as a leader after reading the beginning of this story is just a hater who likes to hate. The way he assigned teams and why was excellent tactical thinking. I just got to the part where Nightcrawler died and he was a leader who didn't allow his team to wallow in grief, great stuff.

And speaking of Nightcrawler's death, I knew he had died (thanks to a forum thread title that was quickly thereafter edited) but I thought that like most X-men he "died" in an energy blast or was killed in a way where his body wasn't mutilated (like given a Legacy Virus or something). But I wasn't expecting THAT at all. If he really stays dead, then I wouldn't have a problem with it, but part of me wonders if they bring him back, how they would do it.

On an unrelated note, at one time they said that mutants had a secondary mutation, Emma Frost being diamond encrusted was the one that comes immediately to mind. Is that still the case? And if so, what is Charley Xavier's secondary mutation? I have a theory but it is a pretty mean one.

Anyway, I like this book. And it doesn't hurt that it is an oversized hardcover. 
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Re: X-Men: Second Coming (spoilers)
« Reply #1 on: 11:01 AM | Friday, January 07, 2011 »

Preach!

Second Coming is one of the funnest X events in many years.

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Re: X-Men: Second Coming (spoilers)
« Reply #3 on: 11:01 AM | Friday, January 07, 2011 »

Oh shit, The Avengers AND The Fantastic Four! Thumbs Up

However, I must say I like Scott and Emma a LOT more than Scott and Jean. Emma seems to make him a better man. Jean seemed to emasculate him more often than not.

Also, have they said who Hope's parents are?
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Re: X-Men: Second Coming (spoilers)
« Reply #4 on: 11:01 AM | Friday, January 07, 2011 »

Quote from: Derek Coward on 11:01 AM | Friday, January 07, 2011
I haven't bought the X-Men since Matt Fraction introduced the Hellfire Cult (which bugged me because cults don't call themselves cults, they call themselves churches) and haven't paid much attention to that whole section of the Marvel Universes. Of course I recognize some of the storyline names, but only if they are featured prominently on Previews covers or forum thread titles. So when my friend Mike Myers sent me X-Men: Second Coming, I was sort of hesitant to waste a lot of time on it.

I LOVE how we all have certain things that set us off. We have no issues with the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants or Masters of Evil, but the illogic of using Cult sets us off.

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Wow, was I wrong. I haven't finished it, but this is some great stuff. I recognize most of the characters and the ones I don't are either explained nicely (Hope) or I don't really need to know because they are a type (Bastion is a bad guy, I don't really need to know more than that).

That's good to hear. As a long-time X-nut, I never really think about whether the characters are explained from a story-telling point, since I know them all. Glad to hear it did the job for someone less embedded in the X mythos and minutiae.

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Some of the artwork is really good
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and some of it is breathtakingly beautiful (David A. Price says that it is Choi and Oback that I like and I take him at his word).
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Anybody who doesn't like Cyclops as a leader after reading the beginning of this story is just a hater who likes to hate. The way he assigned teams and why was excellent tactical thinking. I just got to the part where Nightcrawler died and he was a leader who didn't allow his team to wallow in grief, great stuff.

Completely agree, Cyclops RAN SHIT in this book.

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And speaking of Nightcrawler's death, I knew he had died (thanks to a forum thread title that was quickly thereafter edited) but I thought that like most X-men he "died" in an energy blast or was killed in a way where his body wasn't mutilated (like given a Legacy Virus or something). But I wasn't expecting THAT at all. If he really stays dead, then I wouldn't have a problem with it, but part of me wonders if they bring him back, how they would do it.


They always find a way to bring them back, whether it's pulling him back from some death dimension or some time paradox or some alter-Earth. The Elf will be back, eventually. But for now I think they handled it well and it served the story a lot better than some of the deaths in other recent events (cough cough Bill Foster cough cough).

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On an unrelated note, at one time they said that mutants had a secondary mutation, Emma Frost being diamond encrusted was the one that comes immediately to mind. Is that still the case? And if so, what is Charley Xavier's secondary mutation? I have a theory but it is a pretty mean one.

Yep, Morrison introduced the secondary mutation in his run, Emma being the most notable. Beast's more cat-like appearance was also attributed to the secondary mutation. Bobby became completely ice based for awhile (and much more powerful). And the craziest one made Polaris pretty much a superstrong giantess. Oh, and for a bit Angel could heal himself and others with his blood. It seems that all but the Emma/Hank ones have been retconned out though.

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« Reply #5 on: 12:01 PM | Friday, January 07, 2011 »

I hope the Elf comes back  Cry
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« Reply #6 on: 12:01 PM | Friday, January 07, 2011 »

Quote from: Wood on 11:01 AM | Friday, January 07, 2011
I LOVE how we all have certain things that set us off. We have no issues with the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants or Masters of Evil, but the illogic of using Cult sets us off.

Not me. I always hated the Secret Society of Super-Villains, The Brotherhood of Evil, The Legion of Super-Villains, and The Injustice Society. (Even though in the case of the last two they are purposely trying to be a counter point to The Legion of Super-Heroes and The Justice Society, it still bugs me.)

Like I said, if I was going to be on a supervillain team, I would choose a name like The Bad-Ass Motherfuckers. I mean if that's the image you want to portray then go all out. Mr. Motherfucker, Doctor Motherfucker, Captain Motherfucker, Mr. Motherfucker Jr., Ms. Motherfucker, My Motherfucking Dog. Oh yeah, we would rule.

But then again, I would do things a little different.
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« Reply #7 on: 11:01 AM | Saturday, January 08, 2011 »

Damn it Derek, now I want to go buy the thing, I'm trying to save money man. *Grumble* allright it's been ordered.
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Damn it Derek, now I want to go buy the thing, I'm trying to save money man. *Grumble* allright it's been ordered.
You won't regret it. I'm ready to read it all over again.
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« Reply #9 on: 02:01 PM | Sunday, January 09, 2011 »

I loved this event.  Everything from the story, to the way it was handled editorially, to the weekly shipping schedule.  It was action packed from start to finish. 
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« Reply #10 on: 03:01 AM | Monday, January 10, 2011 »

Ever since I got on board Uncanny X-Force I have been craving some x-men. I haven't read much, only New-Xmen and Astonishing X-Men, the latter being my favorite of the two.

I just ordered The dark phoenix saga for something a little old school. But after some googling I was thinking of grabbing Messiah complex, Messiah War and then this when it hits TPB. Would This be a good starting point any X fans?
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Ever since I got on board Uncanny X-Force I have been craving some x-men. I haven't read much, only New-Xmen and Astonishing X-Men, the latter being my favorite of the two.

I just ordered The dark phoenix saga for something a little old school. But after some googling I was thinking of grabbing Messiah complex, Messiah War and then this when it hits TPB. Would This be a good starting point any X fans?
I think so, but like I said, I haven't read any X-Books regularly for a long time and I had no problem picking things up.

I should clarify one thing, when I say I stopped reading X-Men when Fraction introduced the Hellfire Cult, I actually started reading X-Men again when Fraction came on the book. So I lasted only three (?) issues. Before that, the last time I bought X-Men with any regularity, Grant Morrison was writing New X-Men. Like a lot of people, I left when he left.
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Quote from: Lukeh on 03:01 AM | Monday, January 10, 2011
Ever since I got on board Uncanny X-Force I have been craving some x-men. I haven't read much, only New-Xmen and Astonishing X-Men, the latter being my favorite of the two.

I just ordered The dark phoenix saga for something a little old school. But after some googling I was thinking of grabbing Messiah complex, Messiah War and then this when it hits TPB. Would This be a good starting point any X fans?

Don't overlook the Kyle & Yost X-Force run.  It was all sorts of awesome and some pretty big things happened in it as well. 
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« Reply #13 on: 03:01 PM | Thursday, January 27, 2011 »

Just got back inside from shoveling and Comic Book Noise episode 228 kept me company for a bit of it.  Great episode.  And forget what I told you when I called the other day.

I can't disagree with anything you said.  I agree with the MVPs and the ones that should hit the bricks.  Storm and Beast especially.  It's great to listen to someone that feels the same way about Cyclops as I do.

Namor came on board during Dark Reign (he and Emma were part of Norman's cabal).

And I wouldn't cry foul for omitting colorists, but Choi and Oback are a team in the sense that I'm not sure if he's inking his work or if she's doing it while coloring.
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Quote from: David on 03:01 PM | Thursday, January 27, 2011

And I wouldn't cry foul for omitting colorists, but Choi and Oback are a team in the sense that I'm not sure if he's inking his work or if she's doing it while coloring.

I like the Choi/Oback team more than Choi with another inker/colorist.  Their Archangel is sweet looking.   I know that the silent fight pages during Second Coming didn't do it for everyone, but I thought it was pretty badass. 
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