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 Forums / The Bullpen / Re: Steve Bissette: Boycott Marvel product using Kirby's co-creations
 on: Today at 06:41 PM 
Started by Rustyautoparts (Russ Otto) - Last post by Jordan
Quote from: Former Poet Laureate on Today at 06:35 PM
Since I don't believe in copyright,

You don't believe in copyright at all?   Huh?

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 Forums / The Bullpen / Re: Steve Bissette: Boycott Marvel product using Kirby's co-creations
 on: Today at 06:35 PM 
Started by Rustyautoparts (Russ Otto) - Last post by Former Poet Laureate
Since I don't believe in copyright, I have no intention of honoring this boycott.  However, this is the current system we have, and, as we can plainly see, can work against creators as much as it can for them.  Unfortunately, with a copyright system, big money usually wins, as the system is set up to work for them.

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 Forums / The Bullpen / Re: Comics books that your partner is into
 on: Today at 06:30 PM 
Started by leafinsectman (Dan) - Last post by leafinsectman (Dan)
Me and my wife saw the Cap movie this weekend and she liked it (although not as much as I did). She said she liked it better than Iron Man although it wasn't as funny as that and certainly not as laugh out loud funny (for her) as Thor. She's looking forward to Avengers.

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 Forums / The Bullpen / Re: Steve Bissette: Boycott Marvel product using Kirby's co-creations
 on: Today at 06:00 PM 
Started by Rustyautoparts (Russ Otto) - Last post by MatthewA
Real quick - I completely get Steve Bissette's passionate response to this. I called for a similar boycott of RM Films (filmmaker Russ Meyer's releasing company that fell into the hands of his assistant and handyman) on various movie forums after I learned of the way his estate was handled after his death. In that case it wasn't a matter of heirs receiving money, as Meyer had none, but rather it was a plea to get the current owners of Meyer's films to do right by the man and preserve his work properly.

In that regard I do have to say that Kirby is covered in that area - maybe not so much by Marvel, but definitely by the likes of John Morrow, Mark Evanier, DC for the most part, and a few others. The work is being preserved and respected. Kirby lives on.

In a similar vein, Matt Seneca's take on Gene Colan's treatment by Marvel...

http://deathtotheuniverse.blogspot.com/2011/07/wake-up.html

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 Forums / The Drawing Board / Re: EOC Sketchbook Challenge "OH NO! it's assistant editor's month"(August)-MONSTA!!
 on: Today at 05:57 PM 
Started by Andrew Tom - Last post by slurmo
Stuck at work the whiteboard called I asked Paul ( earth2wheels ) which Spidey villain I ahould draw. He said "the crocodile dude" I assumed that he meant The Lizard so here's a quick 1-2 minute dry erase sketch


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 Forums / The Bullpen / Re: Steve Bissette: Boycott Marvel product using Kirby's co-creations
 on: Today at 05:51 PM 
Started by Rustyautoparts (Russ Otto) - Last post by MatthewA
Here's some info on the case from Coleen Doran's site (via comicsreporter.com)

http://adistantsoil.com/2011/07/28/marvel-comics-vs-jack-kirby-decision-marvel-wins/

Marvel has documents signed by Kirby in which he relinquishes rights to characters he's created - one from '72 and one from '86. Not sure if those were retroactive so as to cover his Silver Age creations.

The problem is that Kirby most likely did not think when he sat down to design The Hulk, or Galactus, or Red Skull, that these would become iconic, long-lasting pieces of pop culture that could potentially generate billions of dollars in the future. He wasn't Mark Millar, making movie deals before his comic is even published. He was an illustrator doing a job for which he was paid and it just so happened that what he illustrated and helped create turned into a huge cash generator for his employer, and future cohorts of his employer. There were many other people doing the same thing he was at the time that maybe didn't have his genius but were working as hard, only to see their creations fade into relative obscurity (e.g. Fletcher Hanks).

That said, I do not begrudge Kirby's heirs their attempt at getting in on some of the money that Marvel has made from their father/grandfather's work. After all, the 14 producers on the new CAPTAIN AMERICA movie are most likely going to pass some of their earnings from that film to their families. Chris Evans had nothing to do with the creation of that character and yet he was likely paid much more for playing Cap than Kirby ever made for co-creating him.

I do wonder if the family sees cash from that film as Simon and Kirby receive writing credits.

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 Forums / The Bullpen / Re: Digital Comics App Deals [Formerly Comixology's $0.99 Sales]
 on: Today at 05:48 PM 
Started by Dean S. - Last post by JoeyN
Quote from: elemental on Today at 05:44 PM
Do think there should be a buy all on these offers, if your offering the first 12 issues of a run there is a good chance that a large amount of people who are going to buy one are going to buy all 12

Yes I hope that they start doing a lot more trades or at least do what Dark horse does and sell arc bundles on their web site.

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 Forums / The Bullpen / Re: Digital Comics App Deals [Formerly Comixology's $0.99 Sales]
 on: Today at 05:44 PM 
Started by Dean S. - Last post by elemental
Not picking up the cable and deadpool issues, clicked on the preview page in the app and quite clearly remember these issues and fell no great need to get them again.

Do think there should be a buy all on these offers, if your offering the first 12 issues of a run there is a good chance that a large amount of people who are going to buy one are going to buy all 12

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 Forums / The Bullpen / Re: Steve Bissette: Boycott Marvel product using Kirby's co-creations
 on: Today at 05:34 PM 
Started by Rustyautoparts (Russ Otto) - Last post by steve bryant
Quote from: Tom Morris on Today at 04:51 PM
WHAT ABOUT DC?  Do they get a free pass by not using most of Kirby's stuff right now?

A quick Google search of "dc royalties kirby" yields information that DC "gets a free pass," because they pay royalties, even when an agreement predates royalties, to creators and creators' estates in perpetuity.

Here's what Neal Adams said on the subject:
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D.C. Comics publisher [Paul Levitz] hands check to Neal Adams for “recognition of the contributions you’ve made to the Batman mythos over the years, and in particular, for the inspiration it provided to our BATMAN BEGINS film and related projects.” This is unprecedented in the comic book industry, to have an award of money given freely (and without a contract) for work that clearly contributed to the excellence of the Batman movie.

Adams was not the only one to receive a check for their contribution and as a mark of recognition for work in the past that led directly to BATMAN BEGINS. The powerful new movie.

“In fact the writer of the movie script David Goyer called and was effusive in his compliments of our (Denny and my Batman) and when I saw the movie (my) influence will be quite clear.” Says Neal.

His enthusiasm was clear. In fact, he insisted on purchasing a Batman drawing from Neal (below) that he wished to present to the director (who was also a fan.)

As heartfelt as the compliments were, the incredible gesture from D.C. comics was even greater.

Is this a major shift for D.C. comics to look after its creators over and above contracts. Contracts which only came into the business of comics in the late 70’s.

Before this time there were not only no contracts, there were no rights to share, and no sharing.

“Marvel Comics is sadly lacking in this sort of humanity, and it’s a damn shame,” says Adams. Here’s a small list.

1. Marvel does not provide royalties past 5 years after an artist (or writer) dies. So, for example, Jack Kirby’s family no longer receives royalties for Jack’s massive work for Marvel Comics. In stark contrast, D.C. Comics has no such policy and though Jack did far less work for D.C. Comics, royalties are regularly paid to Jack Kirby’s family and will continue.
2. Marvel insists the terms of their contracts be kept secret from others. No such repressive tactics exist at D.C.
3. These checks, for Batman, not only to Neal, of course, stand out in sharp contrast to the case of Dave Cockrum at Marvel who clearly and admittedly created 5 X-Men characters but is only being paid royalties for one.

Neal reminds us that he created Havok and Sauron and has never seen a dime in royalties.

Even creators who have royalty agreements for characters they created being used for movies, are told… Yes, we used an X-Man you created in a movie but not as the only character. There are other characters in the X-Men, not just yours…. So you get nothing!

Not a share, or a portion…nothing. “Not very nice,” says Adams.

Again, to D.C. Comics, kudos.

Source: http://www.nealadams.com/batmanbegins/batmanbegins.htm

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 Forums / The Monkey Room / Re: General NFL discussion thread
 on: Today at 05:31 PM 
Started by Spigs - Last post by Chris Campbell
Quote from: Homer on Today at 03:33 PM
I would have liked to see Hasselbeck back in Seattle (not for a 3 year deal though), but I guess he just didn't want to. What was the deal breaker for him? Contract length?

Orton would have been nice, too, but Denver seems to want a lot for compensation.

yeah, it was contract length, i believe.  But you need the 3 years to do the whole Favre/Rodgers conversion process ...  Whistle

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